Arizona's Dismantling of Public Education

I wish you felt this way during Covid when schools were shutting kids out of the safest place they could be. Harming those with the least the most!

 

LOL! A come on man from the person who admits their kids were harmed by the idiotic policies during covid. And praises the person who was in charge and pushed the idiotic Covid policies that harmed his kids.

 

I don’t know that it’s true that Christian schools for the most part began as a response to integration. Do you have actual evidence of this?

Many Christian schools, such as Roman Catholic, Lutheran, and Episcopal schools, existed long before integration.

Integration began in the 1950s. Many schools came into existence after prayer was outlawed in public schools in the 1960s. Some began as an alternative to secular education.

Yes, some probably did start in response to integration, but I think most started for other reasons.

 

And more idiocy from a person who forgot schools need adults like teachers, administrators, custodians, etc. to function. And first year plus of COVID, more than 1,000 educators died from the virus. And studies show teachers died at a higher rate than other essential workers. What a great lesson for your kids. Don't worry about the welfare of others. It's all about you. If your teacher gets seriously ill or dies? Who cares.

Now, back to topic. The ESA in Arizona has been a failure. No oversight, and being used to help people with money go to elite private schools they couldn't otherwise be able to afford.

 

Your article says exactly the opposite:

“Pre-kindergarten through 12th grade teachers, on the other hand, had somewhat lower mortality rates than the typical worker.”

 

Some interesting history, which in some ways mirrors what the GOP is trying to do with private schools now.

Segregation academy - Wikipedia

The first segregation academies were created by white parents in the late 1950s in response to the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Brown v. Board of Education (1954),[5] which required public school boards to eliminate segregation "with all deliberate speed" (Brown II). At the time, segregation under Jim Crow laws was still widely enforced in the South, where most adult blacks were still disfranchised and excluded from politics.[6][7] The Brown ruling did not apply to private schools,[8] so founding new academies gave white parents a way to continue to educate their children separately from blacks. [9]In Virginia, the "massive resistance" campaign led Prince Edward County to close its public schools from 1959 to 1964; the only education in the county was a segregation academy, funded by state "tuition grants."

From 1950 to 1958, the South’s private school enrollment increased by more than 250,000 students; by 1965, nearly one million Southern students attended private schools. "This growth was catalyzed by Southern state legislatures, who enacted as many as 450 laws and resolutions between 1954 and 1964 attempting to block, postpone, limit, or evade the desegregation of public schools, many of which expressly authorized the systematic transfer of public assets and monies to private schools...While none of the new laws specifically mentioned 'race' or racial segregation, each had the effect of obstructing Black students from attending all-White public schools."[10]

The underwriting of private schools undermined public schools. "What is notable is that taxpayer dollars financed these all-white schools at the cost of simultaneously creating poorly funded all-black public-school systems in the South. To put it simply, as the financial drain of taxpayer dollars from whites attending segregation academies decimated school systems educating black children, black communities, students and teachers paid a terribly high price to ensure that whites were educated with other whites," segregation researcher Noliwe Rooks wrote in 2018.[11]

A 1972 report on school desegregation noted that segregation academies could usually be identified by the word "Christian" or "church" in the school's name.[12] The report observed that while individual Protestant churches were often deeply involved in the establishment of segregation academies, Catholic dioceses often indicated that their schools were not meant to be havens from desegregation, which was buttressed by the reputation Catholic schools had in offering free or reduced tuition to children of color in order to afford them a parochial education.[12] Many segregation academies claimed they were established to provide a "Christian education", but the sociologist Jennifer Dyer has argued that such claims were simply a "guise" for the schools' actual objective of allowing parents to avoid enrolling their children in racially integrated public schools.[13][14]

 

I lived in Belgium and I liked the way they funded schools there. There were the state schools, but the government also funded schools for any religious group that had a certain number of students in the given area: Roman Catholic schools, protestant schools, Jewish schools, and Muslim schools. There might’ve been other groups too.

When every group is funded equally per student, then the government is showing no preference.

By the way, the Roman Catholic schools were the highest quality.

 

I’m sorry, but that’s a tired argument that is intended to stimulate emotion but does not have any relevance on the current situation. It’s like opposing the modern, common, and mutually-beneficial practice of sharecropping just because in the Reconstruction South some farmers used sharecropping as a means to preserve as much of the former slave-owner relationship as they could under the law. I have no doubt in the 1950s and 1960s many people sent their kids to private schools to get around integration, particularly if it looked likely that their child’s school would become a black-majority school in short order. But unless you can demonstrate that in the present private or charter schools are turning away black students who otherwise meet all of the requirements other children have to meet or that black families will not qualify for vouchers in the exact same way that other families will, then I don’t think the argument has a place here. Private and charter schools have an interest in having black students in their population.

 

Apologies for the lack of clarity in my writing. The history I was referring to as mirroring what we are seeing today was how the taxpayer funding of these private schools undermined the public schools. This is in the second and third paragraphs of what I quoted.

 

Well, I don’t want that either. I think the means-testing for vouchers is a good step in the right direction of meeting the concerns of both sides of this issue.

 

He's THE most broken record on TH, an unhealthy obsession actually....and a lay person who distrusts science and scientists.

 

To be spent in Christian nationalism madrassas coming to a neighborhood near you soon.

 

Worse if who I think...engineering degree running wife dental practice. Odd how seemingly good intelligent prosperous people can get pulled down rabbit holes

 

And fund Christian national / maga loving schools

 

I certainly don’t trust people who inflict damage knowingly on kids. Ignoring “science” in the process. But you probably actually believe masks and social distancing (which I like even though it was a joke not based in science) did something…

Worst you probably defend keeping the kids with the least from the safest place they could be.

There will be issues with both public and private schools. Even with Covid. Shoot the private school we put our youngest two in during Covid followed some of the baseless guidance from the idiots at the cdc. But they were far more prepared to deal with the potential of being forced into the damage done by keeping kids from school if another executive pulled what happened in 2020 again.

 

As you have acknowledged. Your kids and their peers were harmed. And like clockwork you cite two junk articles to support that harm. One showing teachers were at less harm than other professions. Neither show teaching in the classroom increased the risk of Covid.

If there is abuse in the program in Arizona then people need to be held accountable. And I am sure there are things that need to be addressed with the program. Shoot Florida has a similar one. It is not perfect. But the move is the right one.

One of the issues we are seeing in Florida is the schools raising tuition at levels that are probably higher than necessary. But that really is the main issue I see that needs to be addressed.

 

AGAIN, vouchers should be on a need basis Not a handout for the rich.

 

THIS is the truth (without the revisionist history that the anti religion crowd has attached after the fact).