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Arizona Election Shenanigan Averted by Judge Ruling

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ETGator1, Sep 29, 2024.

  1. ETGator1

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    The mindset of the democratic socialist communist party in Arizona for the world to see:

    Judge bars Arizona from enforcing disputed election rules (tucson.com)

    All that matters is power and that they hold onto it:

    PHOENIX — Calling what Secretary of State Adrian Fontes proposed “utterly without precedent’’ and comparing it to a nuclear weapon, a federal judge blocked him from refusing to include a county’s vote in the statewide totals if local supervisors fail to certify the election’s results.

    In the ruling late Friday, U.S. District Court Judge Michael Liburdi acknowledged there was at least one attempt in the past by a board of supervisors to delay certification. That action threatened to hold up the formal canvass of all the votes throughout the state and to change the outcomes of some races.

    But Liburdi said the solution Fontes incorporated in Arizona’s Elections Procedures Manual — allowing him to skip over uncertified votes simply to finalize the state results — would unfairly and illegally disenfranchise the voters who had cast their ballots.

    “If the right to vote is the right of qualified voters within a state to cast their ballots and have them counted, then the canvass provision imposes the most severe burden: state-sanctioned disenfranchisement,’’ the judge wrote.
     
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  2. WarDamnGator

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    The voting Shenanigans is that a couple of Republicans from red counties may be able to withhold the state vote certification if Trump doesn’t win the state. Probably under some half wit idea that the state legislature can name the winner if all the counties don’t certify. If some Trumper counties refuse to certify their own vote, I’d be fine with setting a deadline for counties to certify and if they don’t, just leave them out of the count. Makes sense to me.
     
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  3. channingcrowderhungry

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    I'm still waiting for a MAGA to tell me how RFK literally suing to get back on the ballot in Dem states and off the ballot in swing states isn't election interference. They won't answer me, but they'll hit me with an "off-topic" to acknowledge they have no answer.
     
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  4. gator_jo

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    Didn't your Trumpy Cyberninjas fix all the election issues in AZ?
     
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  5. VAg8r1

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    A decision by U.S. District Court Judge Michael Liburdi, a member of the Federalist Society nominated by Donald Trump, why am I not surprised? Liburdi was confirmed on a near party line vote with Manchin and Sinema being the only Democrats voting to confirm him.
     
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  6. Gatorrick22

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    This is for you, ET1... So sad yet true...

     
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  7. gator_jo

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    That was cute, Rick. Kind of like many of your grievances all rolled up into one easily digestible little video. Just watch that and you'll get really fired up for the cause, and to go vote for the criming rapist!

    Forgot immigrants and dog/cat eating though, as well as a few other things that are really really bad, and really really NOT FAIR! Can definitely do better next time.

    3.5/10 on the grievance meter.
     
  8. ETGator1

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    Just when you think Arizona shenanigans will go away and the state will have an actual fairly administered election, this comes out in the news:

    Opinion: Gov. Hobbs' (recorded) call for purging 98K voters a bad look (azcentral.com)

    The issue goes back to mid-September, within the 90 days not allowed to remove voters from their ability to participate in elections under federal law:

    A governor, an attorney general and a secretary of state walk into a bar … OK, that’s not quite right, but they did walk into a potential political mine field during a three-way phone call earlier this month about a just-discovered computer glitch involving 98,000 Arizona voters.

    A two-decade-old computer glitch had allowed them to vote in state and local elections all these years and now, just six weeks before the Nov. 5 election, state leaders had a big problem.

    “If I was in your shoes, secretary, I would take those 148,000 voters and move them to fed-only and do everything I could to provide the resources for the counties to deal with that additional burden and to ensure the confidence in the system,” Hobbs said. “I’m sure that there’s a very small percentage of those voters that are not actually eligible.”

    Hobbs then suggested kicking it to the courts, which is what happened. Ten days later, the Arizona Supreme Court ruled that disenfranchising voters so close to the election “would violate principles of due process."


    Hobbs knew most of the 98,000 were republicans. Her first instinct was to remove the voters right to participate in local and state elections. This is the person that certified the 2022 midterms that were heavy in voter discontent with the election breakdown of processes that should have never happened.

    I don't care which side is more affected. I'd like to see free and fair elections in Arizona. Thank goodness the Arizona Supreme Court came through with the right decision.

    The article is outstanding. I hope you will read it. It's eye opening into Arizona politics and the mindset of the Arizona Governor who certified herself winner in 2022 with too many shenanigans involved.
     
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  9. coleg

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    So by reading the posted article it appears that that the Gov. suggested and agreed to the question going to the courts. So what really happened is that the Pubs had for years committed voter fraud since per the article "most of the 98,000 were republicans.". Typical
     
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  10. gator_lawyer

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    It's humorous, isn't it? An idiotic law Republicans insisted on and have defended repeatedly in the courts causes all sorts of issues due to a glitch in a state system. Democrats take over, find out there's a glitch, and try to figure out how to follow the law without illegally purging voters, and our friend tries to pretend they're acting in a partisan manner. Absurd.
    Number of voters affected by MVD citizenship proof ‘glitch’ grows to 218,000
     
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  11. AzCatFan

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    The issue stems from a two decade old law that voters must prove citizenship in order to be eligible to vote in Arizona. The persons who slipped through the crack are older people, 50 or older, who registered to vote before the law changed, and have not moved, therefore, never contacting the DMV, where voter registration is handled.

    If you actually listen to the phone call, the three Ds at the top of Arizona's government found themselves in a bind. After they found the glitch that many R leaders had either ignored or not found, if the Ds followed the letter of the law, they would be disenfranchising nearly 100,000 voters, mostly Rs. If they ignored the law, then the other side would accuse the Ds of now following the law and allowing people not legally to vote to participate.

    Governor Hobbs' first suggestion was to tell these people of the glitch, and that they would only be able to vote in Federal elections unless they swore legally that they were citizens. And the state would help the local precincts with whatever they needed to rectify the situation. Secretary of State Fontes had a better idea, and suggested taking the case to the Arizona Supreme Court and the make the case that these people should be allowed a full ballot because there wasn't enough time for due process to rectify the situation, and not allowing these people to vote would be a violation of their rights.

    In the end, the Ds did the right thing, and got an Arizona Supreme Court ruling to allow these people a full ballot vote. Had the glitch been caught earlier, there is no conundrum. But to suggest anyone in Arizona leadership was attempting to disenfranchise 100,000 or more mostly R voters is false.
     
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  12. gator_jo

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    Jesus Christ man, do you not understand this issue enough to even post about it?

    So the governor encountered a decades old problem, and deferred it to the state's Supreme Court? Sounds unbelievably partisan to me!


    Too bad the things you type aren't true. If they were, you'd stop trying to dishonestly gaslight by falsely implying "shenanigans."

    Don't worry, man, if your lying traitor loses he'll assert fake election fraud again! You don't have to plant the seeds for it here - nobody believes that crap here.
     
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    Thankfully there are not ANY studies that show hand counts are less accurate than machine counts.
     
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    You are right. I agree with you.