Are we being pushed into another Civil War?

The DOJ looks at the nature of the docs and cooperation in returning them when deciding to indict. If the docs aren't top secret, and person cooperates fully in returning them, then charges are either not filed, or very minor at worst. With Trump, that didn't happen. He obstructed in returning of the docs, and many of the docs contained the most secret markings possible, such as TS/SCI.

While we may never know, it's possible that the Trump docs contained the names of or foreign agent informants. And in 2021, the CIA admitted to losing a larger number of said agents than usual. Trump's fault? Maybe? Maybe not? But we do know a number of spies were caught around Mar-A-Lago, and as the saying goes, loose lips sink ships.

There are good reasons why top secret documents should not be held in a country club bathroom.

And while the best outcome is for Trump to lose, he's too dangerous to democracy to even be given the chance to win in my opinion. It will be a revenge tour for Trump, and a big step towards fascism. Which is why I'd be willing to trade criminal punishment for an agreement to never run again. But that will never happen, because Trump is a true meglomaniac.

 

He can run for president from prison that wouldnt prevent that, and if its voluntarily, how would it be a problem?

 

He's already disputed one election outcome. Trump doesn't go anywhere quietly. We went through hell to remove his big ass from the White House the first time, and I for one don't care to go through yet another chapter of "Stolen Election!"

 

why don't you blame the pubs for this situation? They coulda taken out the trash & were too scared. notwithstanding that you don't seem to know the def of "blame"

 

Yeah, I know he will be old, but if he loses another election, he could still run again. Losing at the ballot box doesnt make him go away as we've seen.

 

Yeah, there is also a primary, with a ballot box he could be defeated with

 

Then why keep any docs secret at all if there is no victim in allowing the most top secret of docs possible to be kept in a country club bathroom?

 

they coulda impeached him & shoulda. forget 1/6 which was certainly impeachable....the GA phone call was more than sufficient. They didn't for 1 reason. FEAR

 

We can start a thread on the fact we have too many classified docs. Sure. But the most top secret, like those that need to be opened in a SCIF only, are generally classified because if the information got out to the public, there would be significant danger to public safety. Say, for instance, a number of foreign US spied died because classified docs were left out in public where spies can see them. And as a result, we lose out on important detail on enemies that cause military issues. Would you then see the value of keeping TS/SCI information in proper areas, and not stored in a country club bathroom or ballroom?

 

The victim, as in EVERY CRIMINAL CASE, is the State. It is why the State brings the criminal case. The State, and its people, are the victims of a crime. As for the confidential documents, national security is paramount, and his reckless actions have caused our national security to be at risk. There is speculation that Trump sold high level documents to foreign states, such as the Saudis. I certainly have no evidence of it, but the speculation is not unfounded since: (a) foreign spies have been caught being at MarALago, and (b) unsecured documents were sitting in a room with a commercial grade printer, so who knows what was copied.

The State is also a victim of Trump’s lies and obfuscations. The former President of the United States lied to his government, directly and repeatedly, with the intention of frustrating an investigation into the confidential documents. The State has a compelling need to ensure that its citizens obey the law, and not lie or obfuscate an investigation. That’s why congress passed explicit laws precluding such willful misconduct. That need, and injury, is exacerbated when the person propagating the lies and deception is the former leader of that Country, because it sends a message that it’s ok to lie to the government and interfere with its investigations. Such misconduct needs to be addressed and prosecuted to make sure everyone knows that nobody is above the law.

Now, on to the election fraud. That should be obvious, but the people and the country are easy and obvious victims to someone trying to circumvent an election. When the President tries to use his power to force state officials to fabricate election results, the people suffer, the Country suffers, and Democracy itself is jeopardized. There can be no room to look the other way.

 

I think he should get life in prison for treason. Obviously, we disagree about the severity of his crimes, and potential outcomes of any sentencing at all.

To each his own. I'm personally freaking out over climate change and a planet on fire.

 

News flash. We tried that already

 

I absolutely think he's an enemy of the state. From persistent efforts to overturn an election, thus striking at the heart of democracy, to being in bed with the Russians, I don't care how many flags he hugs, I think he's dirty as hell.