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Are they serious?? (GA indictment of Trump)

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by okeechobee, Aug 14, 2023.

  1. okeechobee

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    The law doesn't need to explain to you how a GJ could be swayed. There are a million different ways to tamper with a jury. That's why the guard rails exist. Off the top of my head, perhaps seeing the charges listed in media makes them feel more pressured to indict. That's one possibility. But the point is not to prove how it tampered the jury, the point is it's unlawful to do what they did. There's no excuse for posting the list of charges on the website. It was either someone within the clerk's office acting maliciously towards Trump (most likely scenario) or gross incompetence. Either way, it doesn't reflect well upon their ability to handle matters such as these and therefore lends more credibility to Trump's narrative that he's being targeted by the system and they cooked the results of the election.

    How does one accidentally post a document like that online? And then the Clerk spokesperson was clearly in the dark about it, because they didn't even know it reflected a case number.

    Honestly, if I have to explain to you how government can be corrupt, we're not going to get anywhere. This isn't really about Trump. This is about the system. If you don't see the corruption, you're being willfully blind. And the indictments just put Trump's name out there more...just like in 2016. The media couldn't shut up about Trump and he got elected. There are some conspiracy theorists on the right who believe the media is purposely elevated Trump so he gets the nomination and then they'll dump on him in the general. I personally don't think they'll stop talking about him. Generates too many clicks and Biden is as boring as they come.
     
  2. okeechobee

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  3. rtgator

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    "If you don't see the corruption" in Trump, "you're being willfully blind."
     
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  4. okeechobee

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    I'll consider this deflection as an acknowledgement you think the system is corrupt and behaving in a corrupt manner towards Trump.
     
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  5. mutz87

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    Just asked how you thought the jury was swayed. Didn't question whether the law needed to explain anything. Though I'd add for a crime to even be a crime, as a matter of law, you have to have intent.

    Something isn't corrupt in a specific instance because generally criminality or corruption exists. That isn't how it works. There are other plausible reasons for this to have occured, and I'd argue that the likely reason is a mistake. Your argument as to why otoh doesn't make sense with even a little bit of scrutiny because there would be no benefit. Plus, such mistakes are not exactly uncommon in the age of the internets.
     
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  6. okeechobee

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    Sure, county DA's post charges online before a grand jury has heard witnesses and seen evidence all the time. Especially, when it's a former POTUS. Not exactly uncommon at all. Happens every day. Do you have any evidence to support that direct assertion? My money's on "no."
     
  7. rtgator

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    Think whatever you want.

    Either Trump is corrupt . . . . or all the federal and state officials, all the federal and state prosecutors, all the federal and state judges, and all the grand juries in multiple jurisdictions are corrupt.

    There is overwhelming evidence that Trump is corrupt. There is no evidence whatsoever that all those other entities are corrupt. You remain willfully blind to this.

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  8. WC53

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    They had to have documentation prepared in advance for the jury to review and also to the. Present to the judge. If they voted something down, then it is noted the same way as voting for.

    Someone in the clerk’s or DA’s office screwed the pooch in scanning stuff in and allowing it go go live.
    Makes them look like idiots, but, unfortunately it is a fairly common occurrence.

    But hey, much more important than the actual information. Squirrel!
     
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  9. rtgator

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    I'm sure you're equally concerned about Trump's blitzkrieg of public jury tampering
    and threats to prosecutors, judges and juries.

    Open SmartNews and read "Donald Trump Begs ‘Someone’ to Inform Fulton County Grand Jury He ‘Did Not Tamper With the Election’ as Fourth Indictment Looms" here: Donald Trump Begs 'Someone' to Inform Fulton County Grand Jury He 'Did Not Tamper With the Election' as Fourth Indictment Looms
    To read it on the web, tap here: Donald Trump Begs 'Someone' to Inform Fulton County Grand Jury He 'Did Not Tamper With the Election' as Fourth Indictment Looms (OK Magazine)
     
  10. mutz87

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    My argument wasn't about the ongoing unprecedented affair of a former president being indicted--how many times now(?)--but the not exactly uncommon occurrence of posting things online by mistake.

    A few examples from recent years...

    San Mateo Court Accidentally Posts Settlement Documents for San Bruno Explosion
    Trump team accidentally released documents that showed the benefits of national monuments like Utah’s Bears Ears
    After Alex Jones’ lawyers accidentally leak years of emails, Infowars financial documents are revealed in court
    The Justice Department Accidentally Released the Name of Saudi Official Suspected of Helping the 9/11 Hijackers
    White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

    What I am also saying is that your argument doesn't make a lot of sense given that there is no plausible reason as to how Willis' prosecution would benefit.
     
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  11. AzCatFan

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    It's highly unlikely that the leak tampered at all with the GJ. As far as we know, the GJ was already convened and hearing evidence in order to choose to indict or not when the leak went online. If this was the case, then nobody on the GJ likely knew what had happened. The GJ is seated at 9:00 AM, and is usually dismissed by 5:00 PM, unless there are mitigating circumstances. The earliest the story on the leak I can see is 3:00 PM.

    Someone else can confirm, but in most courtrooms, cell phones are not allowed. Most courts have lockers and juries cannot access while being seated.

    The leak was likely someone who was preparing the the release and instead of putting it live on a dev site, put it on the live site early. It could be an anti-Trumper who just wanted to gloat early. It could just as easy been a pro-Trumper who wanted to throw a curve ball into the proceedings and give Trump cover to call a mistrial before the trial ever got off the ground? We may never know.

    Bottom line, it's highly unlikely, given the timeline, the leak affected the GJ at all.
     
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  12. rtgator

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    One more thing . . . . Most of the witnesses against Trump are REPUBLICANS, not Democrats!!! You are willingly blind to this as well.

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  13. mrhansduck

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    Maybe SCOTUS can reconvene their leak task force.
     
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  14. okeechobee

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    ^^^ you have to be less obvious about changing the subject. Typical lib.
     
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  15. okeechobee

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    There are a lot of things that happen in Atlanta that don't make sense....
     
  16. okeechobee

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    Seems like I touched a nerve.
     
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  17. okeechobee

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    Da fuk?

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  18. rtgator

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    Your OP alluded to possible jury tampering. How is mentioning Trump's very public jury tampering changing the subject?
     
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  19. okeechobee

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    How is this an indictable offense?

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    The systems are functioning properly. Ignoring his crimes due to his political standing would be a failing of the system.
     
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