Another shooting in Texas, 5 dead

There are constitutional and philosophical arguments which I find interesting.

On one hand, we can generally exercise our first amendment rights, for example, regardless of an ability to pay for any potential future harm caused by our speech. We are generally allowed to exercise fundamental rights unless and until we engage in behavior which causes us to lose those rights. It's not the other way around. I recall writing a paper in a UF philosophy class about whether people should have to get licensed to have children. I argued that we should not.

On the other hand, we do require insurance to drive a car despite travel being a right. We require people to pay for marriage licenses, and marriage is a fundamental right. We have private property rights, but the government can increase taxes and foreclose if we can't pay. We require permits and fees for certain public events despite the right to assembly.

What I don't want here is for poor folks in high crime neighborhoods being arrested and incarcerated because they can't afford gun insurance. It's a tough issue, but maybe there could be some creative solutions in the form of subsidizing the premiums. I'm also a little weary of giving insurance companies even more power than they already have.

 

Isn't the law written to address said "ease of access". I think State and Federal law needs to be reviewed in order to cancel loopholes. Yet, neither of those would have an impact on this situation, as the guy wouldn't have the ability to purchase legally in the first place. That we have millions of guns "in the system" already is a fact. That makes this whole issue even more difficult.

 

I like this along with much more extensive background checks and legal liability for sales of used guns. If you sell a gun to someone, either you force them to do the background check or you assume legal liability for how that person uses that gun. must show proof of insurance for the firearm to purchase the ammo. need 9 mm ammo, show proof of insurance for a 9 mm.

 

Explain to me how the undocumented immigrant's deportation history in my hypothetical scenario has any bearing on the gun control debate. Your introduction of deportation serves only to allow you to attack a strawman argument rather than addressing the original scenario.

I think you missed the point of the exercise.

 

Here are the 'loopholes' you would need to close:

a. private sales
b. gun shows
c. inherited or gifted firearms

Not as easy as one would hope.

I'm waiting to see how the shooter got his rifle before guessing. For all I know, he brought it up from south of the border. That being said, it is unlawful for undocumented immigrants to possess firearms. The decision to prosecute the "good guy" in the hypothetical scenario would be left up to prosecutorial discretion, so who knows.

 

It’s not a blanket statement - just as saying we allow people to drive 75 on our interstates does not mean you can drive 75 on all interstates.

We allow guns to be sold and transferred between people without a background check which accounts for approximately 22% of gun ownership. That’s a huge number when there’s 350M+ guns in circulation. Is it any wonder that even outside of theft someone could easily have one of those 77M+ guns with no background check?

 

Is the 2nd amendment the only place in the Constitution that discusses a technology (arms)? Everything else seems conceptual or a natural right.

If we live in originalism, why isn’t it limited to a musket?

 

Good post. There are laws regarding a, b and c, but they need to be more specific. And enforcement is always an issue. I know for me, I have only made private sales to individuals who carry a FL CWL and would meet me at an FFL location, where I paid the FFL a transaction fee. I also had the FFL make photo copies of both my, and the buyers, DL and CWL, and we were both given copies. Not sure how you make that a law, but I think it's just common sense to protect yourself.

 

The whole gun-show loophole thing is a myth. Every seller (not including private sales) is an FFL dealer. I have sold, bought, and traded guns at gun shows and not at gun shows. I show my CWL, and ask to see one from them. I consider that to be good to go. Inherited and gifted firearms, I have inherited more than I can count. In my opinion, this is the least likely to cause a problem.

 

It has been a while since I bought at a show, but the dealer still did the FL background check. Private sales a different animal.

 

Texas massacre suspect in custody after dayslong manhunt, found hiding in closet, sheriff says | CNN

 

It's a damn shame they took him in alive.

 

So I guess they'll deport him again. Did they let him keep his AR-15?

 

One of my wife’s students, along with her mother, older brother and two younger sisters were shot and killed here yesterday.
Suspect has a lengthy record but yet still had a gun.

 

What need of yours is satisfied by posting such a useless take?

 

Holy crap. Was this the Texas shooting or another.?

 

My goodness, that's terrible. May I ask where is "here?"

 

Lake Wales Fl

 

Geez . . . I just looked it up; a mother and her three children ages 21, 17, 11. Sounds like a random crime, but they are not sure if there was a motive. Even if the suspect had a "motive," it's another matter of senseless gun violence. So terrible and sorry that your wife and her school community will be mourning this loss.

 

What a shame for that family

Quadruple murder suspect flees after shooting, killing a Lake Wales mother and her 3 kids, police say