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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ridgetop, Nov 11, 2022.

  1. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    the whole country should go to ranked choice with open primaries. remove the power from the extremists
     
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  2. G8tas

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    I would love that. Unfortunately the Florida GOP recently banned it
     
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  3. G8trGr8t

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    they can't ban a constitutional amendment though. if the dem party in floirida would get their chit together, ranked choice and abortion amendments will be on the next ballot
     
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    They also realized that in order for the country to be successful long-term, the citizenry would have to self-govern to some degree and be good stewards. That is, be responsible, work hard and look out for one another. Be good people. The past 50-60 years has seen a massive shift toward inward thinking and a me-first mindset. Selfishness has run rampant. This shift has resulted in a what's in it for me attitude, I am not responsible for that thought process, and a general lack of manners and common decency. This behavior has no party affiliation, as both sides are guilty of it, yet each side thinks it is right, and for the reasons listed above is incapable of considering alternate points of view, lashing out at others with disdain. This is not a government problem, it's a people problem.
     
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  5. wgbgator

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    We had open/jungle primaries as a constitutional amendment and it failed
     
  6. G8trGr8t

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    maybe it is time to try again. MAGA likely changed a few minds out there
     
  7. wgbgator

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    It was only 2 years ago, I voted for it, but there is a case to be made that it would make the state less competitive (its the same thing California has)
     
  8. G8trGr8t

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    that was before some of the MAGA nation came to realize just how f'd up MAGA is.

    How could Florida become less competitive? It is now a solid red state
     
  9. wgbgator

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    What's changed in 2 years? Trump will win this state easily if he runs.
     
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  10. gatorios24

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    Outlaw political parties...that would solve many things....
     
  11. mrhansduck

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    I'm sure someone knows better. But I don't see how the government could constitutionally ban political parties. I don't necessarily think government has an obligation to recognize political parties or hold primary elections for them either though.
     
  12. wgbgator

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    Yeah, making every election like voting on a judge or NP race where no one gives you any information about what their policies are sounds great lol. Not that partisan elections are wonderful, but at least you have some idea of what you are voting for.
     
  13. DesertGator

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    The one thing everyone seems to forget when they get locked in on Trump. He's the symptom, not the disease. The disease is the career politician, the person who's been in DC for 40-50 years getting fat on special interests knowing that John Q Public is too stupid or apathetic to vote him out. Trump got voted in because there were enough people who said enough was enough. Was it a failed experiment? You bet your ass it was. But we'd be having a very different conversation if the beneficiary of that public outrage hadn't been so polarizing. This country very badly needs term limits for those in Congress. Case in point, the average age in DC was stable from post Civil War times until around the 1980s. It's skyrocketed since. Tells me that politicians are being reelected for much longer than they had been. Indeed the average career length in Congress has grown to over 10 years!

    I don't disagree that most go in with the best of intentions. The problem is the machine is bigger than any one congressperson. To recycle an old quote, “When you dance with the devil, the devil doesn't change. The devil changes you.” Again, I think term limits does a ton to alleviate the issue.
     
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  14. PITBOSS

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    really good point. I was going to post something on this. my grandparents, parents and especially father had a ingrained sense of responsibility for maintaining the greater good and looking out for each other. No fanfare, just kind a way of life.
     
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  15. DesertGator

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    GC needs something better than "agree" or "winner" for this post! This is a PotY candidate!
     
  16. G8trGr8t

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    this is the real disease
     
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