All-out War in Middle East is on Doorstep after Hezbollah Rocket Attack

They had to wake up Biden from his nap to tell him.

 

Israeli strike on Gaza school killed 30 - health ministry

One says it was a shelter while the other says it house hamas for military ops.

Once again we never get real answers.

On the one hand, we have seen Hamas do this before, using civilized buildings. With that said, we have also seen pictures of children killed due to IDF bombings.

I disagree with Israel using bombs to fight this war. I get they don't want to risk Israel's bodies but they are clearly not able to fight this war without killing many innocent.

 

Probably going to end up being a coalition special ops mission to snuff out Hamas, with limited ground and air support from the IDF and perhaps some American units on the ground in support as well. They can significantly reduce the civilian casualties and accomplish the mission. Add to this maximal sanctions on Iran.

Of course, this won’t happen until President Trump is back in office. What's going on right now is due to incompetence in the White House.

 

Dream on. How do you distinguish between Hamas and civilians? You don't. It's not like Hamas wears uniforms or identifying pins. And with ground troops, you risk your own people.

Sending in ground troops also makes little difference when it comes to creating the next group of terrorists. Unusually limpessionable Palestinian kids won't care if they see their family killed by bombs or guns.

Eventually, Hamas will need time to regroup and reload. And there will be temporary peace. Until the next terrorist attack. And the beat goes on.

 

Grown adults you are right. But at least they can minimize women and children.

I don’t think Israel plans to stop until Hamas is done for.

 

Munich massacre - Wikipedia

This was my introduction to the Palestinian Cause 52 years ago. Nothing has really changed other than the names of the Palestinians and other scumbag Muslims who plan and direct these massacres.

Muslim terrorists carry out attacks and then hide in schools, hospitals, daycare centers, (I would add libraries but I doubt they know what one is) and residential buildings. Then cry foul when they are attacked.

 

And every hostage will die in the process.

 

IMO Benny's past and present actions are pretty clear. There will be blood, this time in S Lebanon at the very least.
Then the issue becomes will Iran enter? Sadly I have read reports that the Iranians could start building at least one nuke in as little as 2 - 3 weeks.

I have attached a really interesting article about the last Hezbolla / Israeli conflict that I recommend one review, from Cappy / Task and Purpose.
it is very informative and offers critical points about warfare in S lebanon, should things explode.

 

You really think that “a coalition of special ops” would be able to magically “snuff out” Hamas, to the exclusion of all other Palestinians, and battle them in some remote isolated field?!?! Sounds cool, but it’s lacking any semblance of reality.

Hamas both operates and hides in plain site, because they use the people as both their camouflage and shields. I don’t think a “coalition of special ops” works the way you posted. Moreover, the Hamas leadership is frequently mobile, always hidden, often operating outside of Gaza, and the transition of leadership is rapidly fluid. And, to top it off, not only must this special ops find and magically isolate Hamas from the civilians, and defeat them, they must then control the area and govern it until such time as a replacement government is set-up and established.

 

And they have the greatest PR Team and campaigns ever known to man.

 

It would likely be more successful to utilize intelligence and have a special ops coalition. You didn’t tell me anything I didn’t already know. How many Hamas do you think Israel are killing blowing up everything in sight? Perhaps some yes, but turning Gaza into dust isn’t really a long term strategy. Your other option would be to order a full withdrawal and allow Hamas to reorganize and reign supreme in Gaza. Yeah buddy, that’s a solid strategy.

Any effort to clamp down on Hamas should be coupled with a very aggressive response towards Iran both economically and even militarily. If you don’t take out Iran, it’s just a matter of time before one of their proxies pops up from the tunnels.

Feel free to propose a better solution.

 

Very true.

 

At the expense of the obvious, Israel has perhaps the best intelligence gathering services on the planet, and so there can be no more “intelligence” to facilitate any special ops collation than currently exists.

But as to your final point, “Feel free to propose a better solution,” I am standing on believing that what Israel is doing in Gaza is the only feasible solution to rid Gaza of Hamas leadership. I don’t think there is any magical sauce to do what needs to be done.

But I for one am sure open to hear creative, realistic better proposals. I loathe war, and I loathe the deaths of innocents. I just haven’t heard a realistic alternative strategy.

Lots of posters have rightfully stated that this War will only produce more hatred, and more anger, more terror, and more war. But what is not suggested, IMO, is a sensible and sustainable alternative military strategy.

Peace, real peace, requires two sides. What we have now is one, Hamas, being used as a puppet and proxy by Iran to inflame a larger conflict which would benefit Iran. And Israel, under its current leadership, is only too happy to accommodate. (And, let’s remember that your peace-loving Trump is all-in to help Netanyahu do whatever Netanyahu wants to do, including enlarging the conflict).

 

It does take two sides to want peace. But it will take at least one side to step up and say enough is enough and stop the bombs/missiles. With current Israeli leadership, that will never happen.

What would Hamas do if Israel said we've done enough damage, we're going to stop bombing, but only if you return all hostages tomorrow? And do that, we'll sit down at a negotiating table with whomever from the other side, and talk a two state solution? We may never know, because Netanyahu is not the kind of leader do ever do anything like this?

And what does Israel have to lose from this strategy? Nothing. If Hamas disagrees, the bombs continue to fall. If Hamas agrees but later launches a terror attack on Israel, then again, the bombs start to fall. Do nothing...and the bombs continue to fall.

I don't trust Hamas. And as stated previously, Golda Meir's quote that there will only be peace when Palestinians love their children more than they hate Jewish children still stands today. But if you never give peace a chance, there will never ever be peace.

 

I don't think there is any doubt Israel's response will be significant. Netanyahu has already stated the response will be "severe." Many countries telling their citizens to get out of Lebanon. Writing is on the wall. The U.S. likely becomes directly involved sooner rather than later, thus I don't think Iran will step up, but who knows. It's going to get real here very soon, that much we do know.

 

I think we do know. Hamas and all other ME terror groups have a long history of telling Israel and the world whatever they want to hear to get Israel to stop prosecuting a war. Every time they get a reprieve, they regroup and start planning their next attack. Then they attack. Then they run and hide behind hospitals, schools, nursing homes, etc.

IMO, Hamas has earned zero benefit of the doubt.

 

Don't disagree. Besides the Meir quote, the other one that describes the region is, "The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." I don't trust Hamas at all, and give them the chance for peace, and 99% they use the opportunity to regroup, recruit, and reload for their next attack. Don't give them the chance for peace, and this is what is going to happen anyway.

 

You asked, “What would Hamas do if Israel said we've done enough damage, we're going to stop bombing, but only if you return all hostages tomorrow?” I don’t know, but you later said, “I don't trust Hamas.” And so, does it matter what Hamas says? They want War, because that is what Iran wants for them, and it is what enriches its leaders. I’d add to this only to say, what purpose does Hamas serve by holding the hostages even further, at this point?

You say “give peace a chance.” I say,”YES”, but with the caveat that it takes two true participants. You’ll recall that Israel was completely caught by surprise on October 7 because Gaza, on October 6, had the most employment opportunities, more job Visas, more access than at any time since Hamas took control. By all rights, Israel was “giving peace a chance,” going so far as to be lulled into a sense of, well … peace. That mistake cannot happen a second time. More than words are needed now to get a lasting peace, at least in my unimportant opinion.

 

If the ME wants to slaughter each other, let 'em. Problem is the rest of the world won't or can't stay out of it. But yes, let's self destruct over who's religion is actually valid and who's is bs. Carry on.

 

Same. Have a good buddy from Lebanon. Awesome dude who only wants peace.