Alabama Supreme Court-fertilized, un-implanted embryo are children.

Don't they usually implant multiple embryos in the hope that one will survive to birth? Does this mean the fertility clinic is liable for the ones that don't make it? Who's going to want to perform the procedure now?

 

Total BS. Again, Conservative and Liberal courts making policy and "law". Its unconstitutional, the legislative needs to get its power back. The Executive and Judiciary branches are running the country and folks have zero voice.

 

Interesting point. You might be right there.

 

The legislative branch has power but refuse to use it due to self imposed constraints and partisan politics. Executive and Judicial branches have stepped in to fill the void, which leads to its own set of problems.

 

Yeah not sure how to fix it other than getting some leadership. It's really a average folks problem, they don't care enough. The party system has successfully through multiple means established a national narrative that trumps ground up local issues. Add in the fact that people are moving around a lot, it's difficult to care enough.

 

Next step: murder charges when someone masturbates.

 

Ah well, at least this is compensation for offspring being clumps of cells until they look like the Gerber Baby.

 

The result of the ruling is terrible, but if Alabama law says any fertilized egg is a child, then the ruling is technically correct. IMO it just shows the ridiculousness of the law.

The hope is eventually more sane conservatives will realize the far right is nuts, and the laws that they have supported do in fact personally hurt their families as well as the “welfare queens” who they think this only affects.

 

Based on the ruling there are probably enough "children" residing in the cryogenic vessels pictured below to populate a small city.

 

It really shows the absurdity of the whole thing. I know Catholics who are very anti abortion, yet had kids via in vitro. They rationalized it by implanting all of the fertilized eggs. Of course most died. But I guess that is ok.

 

If you really want to see something scary, read Tom Parker's concurrence. He's a pal of Roy Moore and a total crank. He looks to the Bible and Christian theology to try and define what the constitutional provision means. Here's the end of the discussion:
"In summary, the theologically based view of the sanctity of life adopted by the People of Alabama encompasses the following: (1) God made every person in His image; (2) each person therefore has a value that far exceeds the ability of human beings to calculate; and (3) human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God, who views the destruction of His image as an affront to Himself. Section 36.06 recognizes that this is true of unborn human life no less than it is of all other human life -- that even before birth, all human beings bear the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory."

Not only is it inappropriate, there's a strong argument that this sort of bullshit violates the Establishment Clause.

 

Curious how has the law handled situations in the past where a couple have fertilized eggs stored but end up separating.

Who’s “property” is it and how does the law treat the embryos?

 

Who even needs a divorce scenario? People change their minds about such things or have embryo’s left over. Sounds like Alabama requires a couple to either use them all or hand their genetic material over to complete strangers. People do choose to donate to infertile couples. But to *require* it is some extremist craziness. Some people will probably just keep them frozen forever since such a law wouldn’t give them much choice. Hard to see this standing.

 

What about a woman's period? Don't they "murder" an unborn child every 28 days or so?

 

what next? cryogenic orphanges for unwanted embryos?

 

Collateral damage?

 

That’s an interesting point. It costs $$$ to keep them stored. So let’s say a couple simply doesn’t continue paying the ongoing fee. Who takes this on? States like Alabama obviously don’t have anything on their plates with drug addictions, homelessness, poverty, or mental health. So I’m sure they will build a state of the art facility to handle…[checks notes]…a growing inventory of orphaned embryos.

 

She keeps backing herself in corners no one is asking her to back into….


“Embryos, to me, are babies,” Haley told NBC News in an interview, adding that she used artificial insemination to have her son, a different process than IVF that doesn't present the same complexities around creating embryos in a lab. "When you talk about an embryo, you are talking about, to me, that’s a life. And so I do see where that’s coming from when they talk about that.”

Nikki Haley sides with Alabama Supreme Court on IVF ruling: 'Embryos, to me, are babies'