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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Trickster, Feb 25, 2024.

  1. mrhansduck

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    Nobody wants me trying to do the math lol. But it makes sense conceptually. It alone stands to reason that if states are all allocated two and only two electors for the Senators regardless of population, that the total allocation of electors (House plus Senate) is not going to be proportional to the number of people/voters in the state.

    The below numbers may be outdated and not reflect the last census data or current EC allocation. But they provide a general view of what is meant by disproportional in the EC context. Someone can let us know if the particular calculations are off. As far as I know, even those who support the EC do not refute the disproportionate effects here. They just think it's justified.

    The Electoral College: How it works & data on representation by state
     
  2. WestCoastGator

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    The EC is an embarrassing legacy of slavery and absolutely should be discarded. This won't happen so long as it continues to benefit the GOP.
     
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  3. okeechobee

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    Was this AI? I'm sure there will be variations of this same post for the months to come.

    Name a famous figure in American history - check
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  4. Trickster

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    That you dismiss Hamilton's observation in such a juvenile way while indirectly defending Trump speaks volumes about your character and patriotism, or lack thereof.
     
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  5. Trickster

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    Very interesting. Thanks!
     
  6. Trickster

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    How did slavery figure in conceiving the EC?
     
  7. okeechobee

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    More meaningless platitudes in lame attempt to insult others who dare disagree with the bot - check
     
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  8. ajoseph

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    The solution, in my opinion, is campaign finance reform. Take away the money to spread 30 second sound-bites of negative-messaging, takeaway the money to post billboards and now social media that do nothing to inform, takeaway the endless commercials that are sheer production empty in substance, and maybe we are left with merit-based, hard substantive discussion and debate.

    Because what we have now is nothing more than races built on extensive, expensive, empty PR campaigns.
     
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  9. ajoseph

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    But wouldn’t a popular vote eliminate the state-by-state electorate? It would be simple math— which candidate has more total votes than the other. The general election, under a popular vote, would be “border-less”
     
  10. mdgator05

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    Yes, which would be proportionate. A voter in Florida, Maryland, Michigan, Utah, and Wyoming would all be worth the same, unlike now.
     
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  11. sierragator

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    One person, one vote. Not weighted to give " more of a vote" some and not others as it is now. Tail wagging the dog.
     
  12. VAg8r1

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    While slavery had nothing to do with the rationale for the EC itself (see Federalist #68) it most definitely was a factor in determining the allocation of electors, essentially the same reason why each state receives equal representation in the Senate. At the time the Constitution was ratified the combined population of the states in which slavery was an essential part of the economy was smaller than the of the states in which slavery had been or was likely to be eliminated.
     
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  13. WestCoastGator

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  14. Trickster

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