Trump administration concedes Maryland father from El Salvador was mistakenly deported

I actually think this is an interesting debate. If a US citizen gets deported from Brazil and upon arriving back in the US a Brazilian court rules they want their president to facilitate the return of that same US citizen back to Brazil. Is the US bound by that Brazilian court ruling to send US citizen back to Brazil? Could they do it to cooperate…of course…but is the US required to send a US citizen back to Brazil ? My guess is no. If Bukele doesn’t want to send him back he isn’t required to send a EL Salvador citizen to the US. Bukele can tell the US judges/courts to kick rocks.

 

Bukele is holding Abrego Garcia in El Salvador indefinitely because Trump wants hims to do so. If Trump wanted Abrego Garcia returned to the US he would be on a plane to the US within less than an hour. El Salvador's vice president essentially told Sen. Chris Van Hollen during Van Hollen's visit to the country that Abrego Garcia is being held because Trump wants him held in El Salvador.

 

Not following…this appears to be a ruling that occurred after the person was deported.

 

So we agree that the president of another county is not bound by the US Supreme Court? I realize most in here would prefer to live next to an MS13 vs a maga but this guy is not a US citizen and Bukele has zero obligation to send back one of his citizens.

 

oh the horrors that a criminal who is a citizen of El Salvador and who came to the US illegally was sent back to El Salvador and the Prez of El Salvador said he was not in any way bound by a ruling of our SCOTUS to send him back and refuses to do so.

 

Has this man been determined to be a criminal in a trial? I think you may be unsure of the definition of criminal. Perhaps you're confusing him with Donald Trump?

 

perhaps your hatred of Trump is clouding your ability to be rational

 

i guess theoretically Bukele could refuse to returnn Abrego Garcia to the US although the reality is that if Trump insisted that he do so Abrego Garcia would be on US soil within hours. The finding that Abrego Garcia is a member of MS13 is based on a single police report authorized by a Prince Georgia County detective with serious credibility problems who was later fired for misconduct.

 

Not relevant. Let’s make up some facts. Say the government came in and grabbed you and sent you to El Salvador prison. What legal obligation would that county have to return you?

 

Ok. So now we are back to debating whether or not he is an MS13. Gets confusing. Soooo many non human traffickers get caught with 7 people they don’t know, in a car they don’t own. But as I said from the beginning. Please keep this story in the news. Please keep talking about it. It’s a political loser x 1000

 

And perhaps your love of Trump explains why you have no problem with his willingness to ignore the rule of law and constitutional norms and his open defiance of multiple court rulings.

 

I do not believe regional dem judges have any business trying to derail the executive branch - I also believe that the Salvadorian Prez is not bound by the SCOTUS ruling

 

You said this individual being held in El Salvador is a criminal. Is there factual basis for that, or are you just saying something that is untrue?

But the US POTUS is bound by that ruling, no? Compelling them to make honest efforts to bring him back. Weird and dishonest shuck and jive game you're playing in ignoring this part. But the lack of intellectual honesty is more than obvious.

 

They keep asking if it’s ok for the president to ignore a ruling by the USCC but can’t say what ruling he has ignored so I guess that must have been a hypothetical question.

 

A few basic points:

1. The Supreme Court has ordered the government to facilitate his return. An appeals court has ruled that facilitate requires actual actions to bring about his return. These are not "regional judges," by which, you probably meant district judges.
2. We could easily stop paying the Salvadorans to imprison him. The second we do that, I have no doubt that they would be more than happy to release him for his "facilitated" return.
3. The immigration judge explicitly forbid the actions taken by the Trump administration before it happened. So why shouldn't the Trump folks be tasked with undoing their mistake?

 

Rade literally linked the ruling to you...is this a matter of willful blindness?

Here is the ruling again:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf

 

When was this issued relative to him being deported?

 

He has not been convicted of a crime. If the government can convict him of a crime, they should bring charges, allow him to defend himself, and engage in due process. It seems more and more true everyday:



So because you have defined him as belonging to an out-group, you want the law to bind him ("He is an illegal!") but not protect him (he has never been convicted of a crime but has now been sent to a foreign gulag with no due process despite the fact that an Immigration Judge expressly forbid him from being sent to that country). Meanwhile, you dismiss legal findings against Trump on other threads because he is in the in-group for you, which means the law should protect but not bind him.

 

The Supreme Court said “facilitate” so if the US said we’d send a plane if he were released than that would satisfy the USCC ruling.

 

After. That is when they ignored the Supreme Court (as they are outright saying that they won't bring him back, when the Supreme Court is ordering them to facilitate his return). Before that, an Immigration Judge had issued an order that Garcia could not be sent to El Salvador. They ignored that as well.