School Shooting at FSU

Better mental healthcare would also help in the area of homelessness. Lots of benefits if it’s done right but a money pit if done wrong.

 

Prayer accomplishes things, but there is a saying that prayer without feet is dead.

Christians who use prayer as a crutch are being lazy and ignoring the actual scriptural teaching on the subject.

Jesus himself cited very short prayers and very deep service and work.

 

We already control access to guns. We do need to provide access to better mental healthcare, but part of the issue is what is the line for crazy?

the current law makes someone a prohibited person if they have been adjudicated mentally deficient. This usually means they have been involuntarily committed and a judge has signed off on it. Should we be prohibiting people just because they are seeing a therapist or taking medication? If so, you’re going to actually cause people to not seek help for their problems.

My point with this is it is one thing to say “crazy people should not have guns”. It another to actually implement it in a responsible manner that doesn’t encroach on the rights of others.

 

Not saying this isn't a good idea. But does it solve the issue of keeping firearms out of the hands of people who plan to commit a crime with one?

 

Likely not. But it also likely wouldn't have made a difference if they wanted to get a firearm.

 

no need to be a jerk because you don’t like that someone can actually articulate opposing positions. When you post on discussion boards, that tends to be the result.

I see value in them. So do a majority of Americans. What you are doing is no different than atheists dismissing freedom of religion because of their own personal bias against it.

Scholars at this point pretty much universally agree that well-regulated in the context of the constitution meant “regular” or “well functioning”, not having anything to do with controlled by legislation.

And yes, the second amendment could be amended, but it hasn’t and it doesn’t look like that is in the cards in the foreseeable future, but continue to yell at clouds if you want. Change will have to come within the context of the second amendment as written and its related jurisprudence.

our biggest problem statistically with gun violence is young black males shooting other young black males with handguns, and suicides. Removing guns won’t stop the latter (but better mental health treatment will), and often the former do not acquire their guns legally. Most of our gun violence is correlated much more highly with poverty levels than anything else.

 

It’s not just that it is inconvenient, but it’s back to the “may issue” scheme that resulted in Bruen. It turns a right into a privilege subject to the whim of a mental health professional to make an entirely subjective judgement. We don’t require that of police or the military without cause (e.g. actually being involved in a shooting.)

also doesn’t solve the problem of many deranged folks being very good at pretending they are normal, and many normal and not dangerous people being awkward, nervous, etc. we dont walk around with signs on our chest that tell others we are crazy, and absent some empirical evidence such as a hit list or demonstrated harm or intent to cause harm, I’m not sure a brief screening could catch someone determined not to be caught until they commit a crime. And if they have demonstrated they intend to harm someone else or themselves, we have psychiatric holds for that.

Should we require people to engage in frequent safe sex and pregnancy prevention counseling before they can receive contraceptives? There are far more abortions in any given year than there are gun deaths.

 

My point is we need to de stigmatize people getting mental health care and make it available to all. We should also restrict access to guns too.

 

I agree fully with the first half of that.

 

Congratulations you are half right. If this was baseball you would be headed to the hall of fame.

 

$ Incentivize people to not procreate; $ incentivize people to get checked out mentally (maybe some people don't know their own vulnerabilities in this regard). Keep the voluntary aspect in play, motivate proactive results.

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Much or most of what you said (and say) is simply not correct or is deceptive.

For example, how do "black males" or any other absusers of firearms so easily get them? Do ya think just maybe it has something to do with such widespread proliferation, such as sales w/o background checks or training? Ya think that increases straw man purchasers, leading to more criminals or abusers acquiring firearms? Ever hear of Columbine?

I won't address all your points- I've heard all the gaslighting before. But people in the anti-responaible-gun-regulation camp, such as yourself, enable criminals to arm themselves. And enable the gun violence.

 

Yes, for decades we've seen people explain that since no solution is perfect, we should therefore do nothing.

We've seen how well that works results in more gun violence and deaths. So you'll understand if people aren't excited to endure any more of that strain of gaslighting.

 

gun ownership can be taken away with due process of law, like our other fundamental rights in accordance with the 5th amendment. Point is, we don't add discretionary barriers to civil rights without cause, and the right to keep and bear arms is a civil right.

Nothing bad faith about pointing out that your suggested idea to add a gate to an enumerated civil right having factors that will limit its utility.

the assumption that makes this irrational to you is that shooting people is always a bad thing. Sometimes it isn't. When those people intend to cause harm to people who are lawful members of society, and what you are arguing would impact lawful members of society far more frequently than the extreme minority of people intent on doing harm to others who are not dissuaded by criminal consequences up to and including the most extreme we have.

 

You quite often bring up mental illness when discussing this issue.

what do you define mental illness to be and what’s your proposal to address the mental illness issue?

 

This sounds like some of the “pain management” doctors out there for hire. I’d say send them to El Salvador and let some of these future clowns witness what happens to domestic terrorists