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Musk scams Tesla owners out of warranty repairs with fake odometer readings

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by WarDamnGator, Apr 18, 2025 at 9:41 AM.

  1. WarDamnGator

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    I think if they really are adding extra miles for idling and driving slow, they are in trouble, but Tesla will almost certainly fight the release of the code. In the video I linked above, that driver says in the comments that he started watching the odometer closer after that video, and has seen it skip ahead by as many as 4 miles …. But he also says he thinks it’s a glitch and not intentional….
     
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  2. PITBOSS

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    Plus it would take quite the internal conspiracy to program, etc.
     
  3. HeyItsMe

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    Ah yes, guy who commits fraud is the same individual who “allegedly” is finding all kinds of fraud yet still hasn’t provided any proof. Wake up, MAGA, Musk and Trump ARE the fraud and waste.
     
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  4. WarDamnGator

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    I'm finding a ton of this on reddit ... Tesla owners saying they compared their odometer milage to GPS phone apps like Life 360 and are find significant difference, like 15% - 20% ... a lot of smoke, here. My guess is Musk figured out how many KWs per mile the car uses under ideal circumstances and is basing milage off that. So any idling you do running the AC will cause the odometer to jump up when you start moving again ... I want to see if Musk responds to this.
     
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    Another case of P.T Barnum being correct: sucker born every minute
     
  6. Gatorrick22

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    I think ALL EVs should have an analog, non-digital, odometer.

    However, you should be able to find a way to gage your distance with some sort of total (driving) tracking system that traces everywhere you've driven your EV.
     
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  7. Gator515151

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    Funny story about an odometer reading.....After my dad passed away his Jeep Grand Cherokee sat in mom's garage for 3 or 4 years. One day I was visiting and said "Mom you need to sell Dad's jeep, it's doing nobody any good sitting here". Mom asked if I wanted it, I looked at the registration and realized it was almost 10 years old. I told mom I didn't want a 10 year old Jeep. She told me to take it up and donate it to the church. I hooked up the battery charger and started it. I was fixing to back it out and give it a good wash job when I looked at the odometer. It had just over 7,000 miles on it. I went in and told her "Mom I'll go ahead and take that old Jeep". It seems anytime they went anywhere they took Mom's Cadillac and the Jeep was seldom driven and garage kept.
     
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  8. AgingGator

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    Looks like Musk bought SAP software.

    HUGE mistake!
     
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  9. AgingGator

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    If this is true, and it was intentional, Musk can offer a heavily subsidized battery replacement and it will make the prosecutors and their customers very happy.

    I had an Acura many years ago where the horsepower seemed to be overstated. The car ran great and that 3.5 relay moved. Extended bumper to bumper warranty worked great for me.
     
  10. BLING

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    Not really sure about that. Could just be one guy tweaking a few lines of code to get the desired result (less warranty costs, as alleged). Might’ve even be something inconspicuously pushed through a software update.

    Pretty much all modern odometers are digital now. But you’d think whatever regulations that applied to older ones to keep them tamper resistant would still be at play. If it’s just pure part of a vehicles operating system and not isolated/secure from being overwritten, then who knows. Maybe that’s what’s going on here?
     
  11. GratefulGator

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    I don't think that's the case. Musk has the odometer tied to battery usage and adds miles to the odometer when the car was actually sitting in traffic using components like the radio, AC, heating, etc.
     
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    That’s what I meant, that the odometer could be just a matter of hacking the software and then getting it to read anything you want. In this case “battery usage” or things other than miles driven.

    There is some rationale there. The EV still needs an accurate mileage. But *also* of nearly equal importance things like total lifetime energy charged/consumed by the battery pack, battery cycles, how it’s holding charge vs original spec, etc. But these are all separate things from miles driven. Sounds like if what is alleged is true they were trying to blur the numbers. Not good if it’s to avoid a warranty clearly based on MILES, using some fuzzy math instead. That would basically be FRAUD. If it was a glitch, it can be remedied just by extending the warranties by a certain amount.
     
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  13. WarDamnGator

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    That's how I see it, if the warranty is advertised as "50,000 miles", then a mile is a mile, and anything else is fraud.
     
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    Here’s another one, a controlled study… Norwegians tested 24 electric cars in cold weather to see if they performed to their advertised range. They charged them up and drove them along the same route until they died. The Tesla was one of the worst performers, 20th out of 24, getting 106 km less range than advertised, but reported 10km more on its odometer than actually driven, as measured by gps. Seems to have been the only car with that “glitch”. Tesla is in some deep shit. The Tesla and Polestar died at almost exactly the same distance, but….

    “That said, the Polestar’s trip meter indicated it had traveled 330 miles–a figure confirmed on Google Maps–while the Tesla reported an extra 10 miles. In other words, the Model 3’s driver would think they covered more miles on a full charge than they actually did.”

    24 EVs Were Driven In Freezing Weather Until They Died. One Car Stood Out
     
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  15. DawgFanFromAlabam

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    Gee, I hope the Tesla Trump bought doesn’t have this problem…
     
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  16. tilly

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    Some sort of metric needs to be created to accommodate that but this ain't it.
     
  17. OklahomaGator

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    I have noticed that weather conditions affect the range you can get off of a full charge. I was driving in the wind and rain a couple of weeks ago and noticed the mileage per battery usage dropped. Also very cold hurts range as well
     
  18. Emmitto

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    Not a “virtual mile”, as Prez Musk sees fit?
     
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    Unless the term is defined as something other than 5280 '
     
  20. ncargat1

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    Yeah, no way a car company would ever try to intentionally scam the public.....

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