Trump administration concedes Maryland father from El Salvador was mistakenly deported

At this point, Garcia is never coming back here. Criminal contempt proceedings? That goes through DOJ.

 

I was making fun of your deflection. If the government kidnapping people and sending them to torture prisons for life doesnt bother you, that's a reflection on you. The truth is, I dont know what's important to you, it doesnt seem like much. What principles do you actually have? Cant tell over all the time you've posted here. Maybe the libs annoy you, but they actually seem to care about things like laws, truth, due process, etc.

 

MAGA shows their principles regularly. They voted for a rapist criminal, and just scroll past posts commenting on his crimes.

The fun part will be in the future when they try to pretend that this didn't happen.

 

I was well aware of what you were attempting. This is me making fun of your projection

 

Things you clearly still don't know:

1. He was not convicted or even charged with any crime. Not here nor in El Salvador.
2. He has an order from a US immigration judge stating that he could not be sent to El Salvador due to fear that he would be harmed if he was. The government sent him anyway in violation of that order.
3. The Trump administration put him on a plane bound for the prison. We are paying the El Salvadoran government to hold him (and about 175 other people with no criminal convictions) in prison. This is not "their decision." It is the Trump administration's decision to put a guy in a foreign gulag with no criminal conviction. He and the other approximately 175 other people) have been disappeared to a place where they have no rights in which they won't be released. They have been sent there with no due process based on very flimsy criteria (e.g., accusations of gang membership backed only by things like fairly common tattoos or wearing things like a Bulls hat or a Jordan logo). And the US government is sending them there and paying the El Salvadoran government to hold them there.

Perhaps you could get more information than what the Trump people tell you next time before commenting.

 

The man has legal status to be in the US. If he was beating his wife, there are laws against that and an entire legal system created to convict and punish those guilty of that. But Abrego Garcia, who under the law is innocent until proven guilty, was never arrested. Never charged, and never in court. Instead, he was illegally removed from the country and thrown into a foreign prison.

Why can't those on the right see ignoring the Constitutional right of due process as a major issue? As long as they don't come for you or someone you love, it's OK? That's what the Germans who ignored the Jews disappearing felt. "First they came for the Jews..."

 

Its actually "First they came for the communists" ... and I think these people would be perfectly OK disappearing communists

 

This illegal should be brought back to the US, put in a cell and kept there until his expedited deportation is finalized by the courts. I think the trump admin made a big mistake and needs to fix this.

 

I don’t know anything about this guy and wouldn’t vouch for him as a citizen, husband, or janitor. Still, whether he is a good guy is entirely beside the point, and the administration’s ability to make people focus on this aspect has obfuscated the most salient issue:

The administration flouted a 9-0 Supreme Court ruling, and are showing zero respect for it in retrospect.

Imagine the reverse scenario where the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that an illegal immigrant should be deported, but Biden instead releases him in Portland because they had evidence that he was actually a very nice man. Would you support that?

 

Here's a number of other examples of Venezuelans being sent to the same prison in El Salvador with no known criminal history and seemingly just based on having tattoos. Maybe you don't care still - they're not Americans after all. Personally, I see this as a very slippery slope and that concerns me. We probably all know good people living here who aren't US citizens (whether here legally or illegally doesn't seem to matter much to the administration) who are very much at risk to be deported - in a best case scenario back to their home country and to a prison in El Salvador in the worst case.

‘Deported because of his tattoos’: has the US targeted Venezuelans for their body art?

 

he came here illegally and should have never been allowed to stay- I have ZERO problem with him being sent packing and look forward to seeing more and more illegals sent packing

 

They are certainly looking to denaturalize actual citizens too, as well as birthright citizenship, which will let them do this to more people

 

Oh I am in favor of deporting anybody here illegally. But when you add the other issues that were just ignored he needs to be in the country of his citizenship. He is not a Maryland man he is an El Salvador man.

 

He wasn't deported, so you should have a problem with what happened right? The Venezuelans at CECOT certainly werent deported either.

 

1 they should have never been allowed in
2- they should all be deported

 

Sending Venezuelans to a prison in El Salvador isnt deporting them. Even sending a El Salvadoran who's committed no crimes in the US or Salvador to a concentration camp like CECOT isnt deportation. Its human trafficking. If you support this, you arent in favor of deportation, you are in support of slave camps and human trafficking.

 

Do you believe in the Constitution and the rule of law? Like it or not, the man had protected, LEGAL status to be in the US. As a LEGAL resident, the Constitution guaranteed him certain protections, sick , as the right to face his accusers, examine all evidence against him, and a fair and speedy trial.

Abrego Garcia received none of the Constitutional protections. And the SCOTUS, 9-0 all say this was wrong.

What's more important to you? Constitutional protections that were ignored, or your hate of illegal immigrants? And if the Trump administration can suspend habeas corpus for Abrego Garcia, what's to stop them from doing the same for others? Including citizens?

The Constitution should never be ignored because you like the outcome.

 

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As a member of MS-13 Garcia could once have credibly argued that the rival 18th Street gang might have been a threat. That threat was terminated by President Bukele who put the gangsters in jail.

The truth is you want illegal immigrant's cases to be litigated because like Obama you want to "fundamentally transform" America and turn it into a one party State like the USSR by flooding swing states with illegals. Litigating every case would potentially cost taxpayers a trillion dollars or more and take a hundred years or more. You Democrats wanted the American people to pay for lawyers for every illegal per the so-called Border Security bill. The Border Security bill also was going to fund the NGO's that were pipelining illegals into the US and putting them on our welfare system.

You're more concerned about sending an illegal (gang member) back to his own country than the Laiken Riley-like American victims of illegals caught and released into our country. Despicable imo.

How are the policies you favor working out in a small Danish town?

 

I gotta be honest, I think a lot of liberals have missed the boat on this. This guy doesn't matter. He could be good, he could be bad, we don't really know, and I don't think it's materially relevant to the bigger picture, and certainly not a winning issue. It's what this case represents that's a bigger issue - and it's what I think dems should be focused on. We have a president acting like an emperor completely ignoring the judicial branch. And the admin is doing it on purpose to see what they can get away with. This is all a test for bigger stuff down the road. Conservatives can laugh all they want - this admin has already floated the idea of sending US citizens overseas to prison. Dems should be beating the fear drum on this all day - fear monger the shit out of it like the right would - imagine if it was your father, your family being sent away, with no recourse or protection. It might not be you or someone you love the government is targeting today, but it could be tomorrow, and if we don't do something now, there won't be anyone to protect you.