Gators Men’s BB Invited To White House

This forum has been a mess for a while. The weak put people on ignore so they can’t see their opinion and the rest just live in a circle jerk.

It stinks. But this forum is just not worth engaging in but on an occasional optimistic hope in real discussion.

Enjoy your confirmation bias. I am sure you think things are great. But this forum has been dying for some time.

 

I agree that's not what happened. To my knowledge, the visit has yet to occur. Or am I mistaken? Honestly, I don't understand what your are saying. If the coaches/team chose to go and one of the players opted out, could that not be based upon a principled decision?

 

There was a poster that was talking about "prefer[ring]" for them not to go. He didn't say why. This isn't about whether or not any of the players actually had a principled stand, but that they (perhaps) should have had a principled stand? G8rGr8t has offered a possible reason why not, and while we may not see eye to eye on the impact of that reasoning, it's at least a reason. I do appreciate that.

People are so used to worrying about getting "wins" on here that we sometimes forget that sometimes we just want to know where each other are coming from.

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,WESGATORS

 

I don't (possibly) mean to misquote you. But I think it's pretty clear; Trump stands for the opposite of American values - inclusion, aiding by the law, integrity, valuing the role of government and authority to help all Americans. Not just the ones of a leader's political leaning, or who've supported him.

Only an opinion, but to me it's perfectly clear; attending a WH event or supporting him in any way at all is to support his un-American actions.

 

Isn't it presumptuous to suggest that visiting the White House means you support Trump?

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Thanks, WES. I didn't think we were talking about the poster on the 'Net board. I was more referring to your comment that "It's an experience that is far more likely to enhance their lives than it is something that would inhibit their lives." I felt that was an assumption and did not account for the benefit from making a principled decision.

 

Yes, but is it not also presumptuous to suggest that visiting the WH is an experience that is far more likely to enhance their lives than it is something that would inhibit their lives?

 

If and when that principled decision comes up we can evaluate it; until then, I'm willing to consider that it isn't relevant to the situation at hand.

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Sure, but on a much different scale. We know there are millions of people who don't support Trump's policies. It's hard to imagine how one's life would be inhibited by visiting the White House (again, short of any presented principled stand).

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What? Is it not the topic of this thread?

 

In my opinion, no. IMO it is explicitly lending credibility to him from one's accomplishments, which he doesn't deserve and clearly hasn't earned through his contemptible and intentionally un-American abuse of power.

IMO, whether it's his name-calling, criminal acts, racist statements, disrespect for so many Americans, lack of integrity, contempt for our Constitution, or any other of a large number of unacceptable actions ......... every single solitary American has the obligation to express, in every way possible, that that is not acceptable to them.

Such a terrible shame that didn't start in late 2015.

 

Our discussion here started with you quoting me. My reference was that of a poster in NBN who preferred for the team not to go, and I made mention of multiple folks (who also frequent this board) supporting the idea. So, no, the part that I am referring to had no mention of an existing principled stand (which we all agreed in NBN that we wouldn't hold it against the player anyway). It's all good, we may be talking past one another, but since you quoted me, I thought it was relevant to explain where I was coming from.

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,WESGATORS

 

I do understand your disdain for the man, but I don't agree with giving up that much power to him on a personal level. No problem if we have different thoughts on that.

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Is he going to be there posing in the picture?

Will the picture be theirs to use as they see fit?

Will it impact my visa status or that of anyone I care about if I don't go? Glad this guy doesn't take anything personal or target opposition..

 

It isn't policies

Much much deeper than that

More like his values or core principles or lack thereof that we disagree with. Disdain for the rule of law, lack of empathy, ruining generational alliances, destroying the systems built to protect and educate us, threatening our allies, destroying the economy, targeting opposition with executive and DHS/ICE overreach..
These aren't policies

 

When will Trump start showing respect for the office? Hawking shoes and meme coins, selling pardons to big donors...targeting opposition..J6.dead and wounded and captured are losers...
I could go on. It wouldn't matter. The office is something to be used to advance his greatness. That's why everything exists to him. There is no obligation to the country, only himself. How people can't see that is beyond my understanding.
I wouldn't shake Hoover's or lots of world leaders hand either. DJT put himself in that group with his actions

 

Only thing I see you comment on is anti-vaccine stuff. Weak egos can't handle different opinions.

The problem with forums is people have to be able to read and write. So that disqualifies a significant portion of the red hats

 

Good riddance Obama. One of the worst Presidents ever. Have fun getting taken to the cleaners by Michelle in your pending divorce.