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Illegal manipulation of the financial markets

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by 14serenoa, Apr 9, 2025 at 7:50 PM.

  1. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

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    Yeah, one big problem with this theory: a couple days ago, the algorithms bought a ton because the ratios were suggesting that the market was undervalued (as they have no experience with policy this dumb and destructive). Then, the humans came back and pushed it down again because they could see the situation.
     
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  2. gator_jo

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    It would be the simplest thing in the world to figure out who bought large volumes of call options minutes before the felon announced His surrender on His failed trade war. Then, of course, those individuals should be questioned and investigated.

    The Trump Administration obviously won't do this. Their DOJ will be busy going after Trump's political enemies, international students, DEI programs, and gay swimmers.


    The only truly shocking part about this is not that Trump and His administration blatantly and shamelessly flout the law. It's that literally about half the country simply doesn't care.
     
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  3. vegasfox

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    ^^^^^Trump Derangement Syndrome on display

    Trump is the stimulus

    That triggers gator_jo et Al.

    causing an automatic response,

    Trump has gator_jo dancing to his tune

    Classic TDS. gator_jo is helplessly under Trump's power.
     
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  4. OklahomaGator

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    Every President, Republican or Democrat, can cause dramatic movements with an official announcement. That is why most of them happen after the markets have closed.
     
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  5. G8trGr8t

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    is what the president does wrt to tariffs under the control of the potus

    could any eco c level student tell you what would happen if he put big tariffs on and when he took them off

    do you honestly believe that there wasn't insider info on when he would lift the tariffs that was traded on?

    why blind yourself to the reality?
     
  6. G8trGr8t

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    who drove trump to put them on and take them off

    everybody told him what would happen if he did it. he did it anyway. someone made billions on the short and billions on the switch

    do you want to know who? should potus and SEC investigate? if they never reveal who, what does that tell you?
     
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  7. gator_jo

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    That's also why under every President there is discernible evidence of likely or potential illegal conduct ....... such as massive amounts of call option purchasing just before a major announcement.

    Oh, wait - that usually doesn't happen at all!! Just under Trump!!

    Fascinating, no? Someone really should look into this, dontcha think? Or is this the part where Trumpers ignore the need to investigate potential criminality, because it may lead to their hero, and instead make excuses for it?
     
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  8. mdgator05

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    Of course they can. Which means that they can choose to manipulate the market. There is some evidence of leakage here. Intentionality from Trump, specifically, will likely never be proven. Again, it could just be that he saw the simultaneous decline in equity prices, demand for US bonds, and the relative price of the US dollar and became a "panican."

    Pieces of evidence in favor of intention: the fact that there was movement before the public announcement in purchasing behavior, the fact that the Trump people made multiple misleading or false statements suggesting a more substantial pullback of the policy than is actually happening (e.g., Bessent wrongly stated the tariffs on Mexico and Canada), the Trump tweet to buy stocks about the time that such a decision would be made (without mentioning the decision directly), and Trump's long history of white collar crime.

    Pieces of evidence opposed to intention: Trump often lies about stuff, he had been trying to prop up the market as it collapsed for days, and he seems to have moved only when Japan started dumping US debt.
     
  9. DoubleDown11

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  10. JG8tor

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    Trump made his announcement after the markets closed on Wed 4/2 - it didn't soften the blow and the Dow dropped 10+% over the following week until he reversed course.

    Can you point out any "dramatic movements" of the markets caused by a non-Trump president, especially any that occurred more recently than Dec. 1941, when FDR said "whoopsie, we're going to do a 90 day pause on troop deployments to give negotiations another chance while the bond market sorts itself out"?

    If not, what are you trying to say?
     
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  11. G8trGr8t

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    disconnected from reality

    Trump caught out as he's overheard making outrageous brag to his friends - Irish Star

    CNN captured Trump chatting about the stock market’s response to today’s announcements, to Republican Senator John Barrasso who told the president, “You got the markets seeing your brilliance.”

    Trump replied: “Yeah, that’s up almost 7 (percentage) points, 2,500 points, nobody’s ever heard of it. It’s gonna be a record.”

    The hot-mic moment was caught as Trump greeted lawmakers at a NASCAR event on the White House South Lawn. Shortly after, he moved on to the Oval Office where he signed two new executive orders, directing the DOJ to investigate former White House staff who he personally accused of “treason.”
     
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  12. sierragator

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    We just need to get it through our heads that the laws do not apply to him.
     
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  13. AgingGator

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    That is what I meant by cycles.

    But feel free to believe whatever you want.
     
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    The laws literally do not apply to him because he has immunity.
     
  15. Gatorrick22

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    Yes, let's investigate all insider trading from and by all elected officials. Let's see how bad it really is.
     
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    Agree. Trump changes his mind because he is a gross incompetent and at least temporarily decides to backtrack although while doing so he creates an opportunity for himself and his friends to capitalize on his change of mind.
     
  17. gaterzfan

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    Isn’t “the market” really just one long continuous manipulation?
     
  18. Gatorrick22

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    It's rich for the Leftists to think that the POTUS has no right to effect the stock markets though trade deals. Real concerns should be levied towards though that use their elected positions to financially gain directly from insider information from the stock market. Blaming Trump for this nothingburger is their way of shining light away from their dirty insider trading.
     
  19. mikemcd810

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    Rick - it's not that he made the announcement during market hours, it's that there was a spike in trading activity shortly before the announcement that indicates people were aware in advance and traded on that information.

    That would mean someone abused their position by trading themselves, someone in the know told others, or it was leaked by mistake somehow. Any of those should be investigated.
     
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  20. Gatorrick22

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    And you think he was one of the traders that caused that spike?