over 100K deported so far

My god man, they're eating the koi now?

 

Those people cant support families on the jobs the deported have abandoned.

It's two totally separate issues.

 

Lol... yeah, I was thinking about the America Federal workers being laid-off.

 

Right, good people now facing terrible circumstances, so I guess we should hope they can climb up on our roof?

Look, the fed needs trimmed, but the celebration about good people losing their income has been hard for me to swallow.

(Not saying you celebrated it)

 

No, I never said that, Tilly. But there are good paying factory jobs out there, or coming soon, and those former federal workers will be forced to actually do some work for their pay check.

No more sitting at home... collecting free taxpayer money.

 

Two thoughts on recent posts.

#1 - I feel for the federal employees who are now out of work, but also wonder why there were good paying federal government jobs that seemingly weren’t necessary? RE the necessity of the positions cut, I expect some are actually necessary and we’ll see those brought back in the future. Only time and politics will determine how many of the jobs eliminated remain eliminated.

#2 - With respect to the concept of former federal workers filling lower paying (and less desirable, perhaps more physically demanding) jobs abandoned by illegal immigrants leaving the US …. why do we accept the notion that these jobs are not suitable for US citizens? This reinforces the realities of economic class stratification and discrimination in employment.

 

If that’s true wouldn’t raising wages at fast food places raise inflation?
Unless I’m mistaken according to experts here that doesn’t happen.

How can both be true?

 

Potentially, to a much lesser extent than cutting total labor supply during a labor shortage. In fact, raising minimum wage during a labor shortage might have no effect on actual wages, as wages may be higher than either minimum wage. Also, much of the empirical work on that sector has shown that companies eat much of the wage increase themselves, in that industry, something not replicated across all industries.

 

Trump got rid of a few hundred illegal criminals? (And a few dozen totally innocent people)

Astounding!

 

fast food prices have gone up quite a bit, partially due to higher hourly wages post COVID. I’d say more gets passed on to the consumer vs eaten in company profit.

 

Probably someone on The View said that.

 

You have a link to the evidence documenting any of them as gang members?

 

Nah, that's probably pretty accurate, but clearly not necessarily 100% precise.

I was basing it on;
- the fact that we've seen evidence of some totally innocent people deported
- given the Trump admin's complete disregard for due process America's Constitution, it's a more than reasonable assumption that numerous other people, who have been labeled criminal and deported but not given a trial, are in fact actually innocent.
- and it was extrapolating out a number that is not outrageous to assume

But you are 100% correct - my statement was more based on logical assumptions and not based on cold hard numbers. And I'll readily admit that.

But then again, I'm just a message board poster who's not impacting policy or affecting people's lives. Or projecting numbers that are totally outrageous. Gaslighting, that is.

Don't you wish we had a presidential administration that didn't attempt to gaslight us, would similarly admit that their numbers are not necessarily accurate, that similarly at least try to approach accuracy, and ..... did not deport as criminals totally innocent people?

 

As of now, we know of at least 2 cases of "gang members" that were not supported by the evidence (1 of which even the government admits was a mistake). We also know that their classification of somebody as a gang member is so general as to include members of our basketball team who wear the jumpman logo, a reputed gang symbol. So, it is likely that these aren't the only two (but research is hard here because the government is not keeping or releasing terribly good records of their activity of sending people to a foreign gulag for money).

Beyond that, we have the students renditioned for engaging in legal political speech that the government doesn't like (while legally in the country) or for things that aren't grounds for removal (e.g., the Minnesota student recently detained), the Transplant Surgeon thrown out for having a picture in Lebanon at a funeral for a Hezbollah leader (which was a major public event attended by hundreds of thousands of people), the German detained for no apparent reason from New Hampshire, the Canadian entrepreneur detained for no reason, and the British citizen detained for exchanging housework for accommodations (it should be noted that the current first lady worked far more formally and for money on a tourist visa).

I think that will get up to about 12. And that is just off the top of my head.

 

So not a single one of them had any evidence presented against them. Now we convict people by just accusing them?

 

Here’s at least 4

How Many Innocent Men Did Trump Deport to El Salvador?

 

Do we know that this number does not include people that are released at the border and re-enter? Because those people do not walk back to their homes in whatever country they came from. They walk back 1000 yards, walk a mile or two parallel to the border, and then make another attempt. Immigration typically catches the same people 4-5 times a shift before they figure out how to find a place that's unguarded. And all the traffic of people being arrested and processed ties up the resources of border guards, making it easier to find a hole in the coverage. Again, the border is 1953 miles long.

This sounds like another one of Elon Musk's boastful claims of saving money that was already being saved.