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Against the press in the final minute...

Discussion in 'Nuttin but Net' started by oneatatime, Mar 24, 2025.

  1. SmootyGator

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    Teams that get fouled should be able to decline the foul shots and be able to inbound the ball again, instead of HAVING to take shots. The last 20 seconds (10 minutes) of close basketball games is why I've lost interest over the years. I also hate the onside kick in Football. Every time I mention those ideas to people, they usually retort with: "but the other team needs a chance to win". My reply is always, the other team had 39 minutes (or 59 for football) to win, why didn't they just do it then?

    But as others have mentioned here, close games make good ratings and good ratings make more money. So I'm not counting on anything changing anytime soon...
     
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  2. Agator88

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    I agree to an extent, but the fouling and forcing another team to make foul shots is such a part of the game, I don't know how you really change it without changing the game completely.

    Intentionally fouling the worst FT shooter was a strategy for awhile, hack a Shaq. The league made changes that got that out of the game, but when it first started it was like Popovich playing chess and everyone else was playing checkers. Coaches find ways that are within the rules to win, and they usually are the coaches that are HOF caliber so it's hard to hate on it too much.

    When UCONN intentionally flopped, that's a time when I wish officials stepped in and said 2 shots plus the ball. There was no time that came off the clock, so coaches will continue to try stuff like that because there is no penalty that deters it.

    I do think the mens game would benefit greatly from going to 4 quarters and having the bonus reset each Qtr. There are too many games that are in the double bonus with 10 mins left and it just drags the game out. UCONN went like 7 mins without a FG in a 4pt game and kept the lead because of FT shooting. That's when I'm watching as a fan thinking, this team can't hit a shot but can not only hang around but also keep a lead with FTs.
     
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  3. DeepPurpleGator

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    I was thinking the same thing.
     
  4. TJHooker

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    I am with you on this. In the NBA it is a defacto technical and you get one shot and the ball.
     
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  5. GatorLurker

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    Flopping is a technical foul in the NBA and FIBA. It is even a technical in HS ball but rarely called due to lack of replay review. But it isn't a T in NCAA basketball.

    The foul call was due to grabbing a Gator player and not for the flop.
     
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  6. Crusher

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    Haugh is a good FT shooter too. Condon should be the one tossing it in if he is on the court, otherwise he is an automatic foul target.
     
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  7. Agator88

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    I don't think you want Condon in the front court inbounding, a lot of times the ball gets reversed to the inbounder because he's not always covered when throwing it in. In a late game full court press, Condon is on the other end really to just keep the defense honest because they can't leave him uncovered. Haugh crashes when the other two guards can't get open, and he's a better than avg FT shooter.

    When it's not a late game situation Condon could inbound, but not when it's a full court press situation, you don't want him dribbling or being fouled.
     
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  8. VTGator

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    I completely agree. Also, the inbounder needs to be a legitimate threat to make a difficult pass across the court. Otherwise it becomes too easy to defend aggressively by pressing. Clayton is the best guy for the job.
     
  9. regurgigator

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    Agree. Once the game is at a point where the other team has to foul to prevent the winning team from being able to run the clock out (e.g., up 3 with less than 30 seconds remaining, up 6 with less than 60 seconds remaining, gets a little more complicated with greater amounts of time left), I think you should just put in your 5 best FT shooters who are also capable of handling the ball if you are inbounding the ball. Depending on timeouts remaining and deadballs, you could put poorer shooting bigs back in on a case-by-case basis for defense/rebounding situations.

    On one of our last possessions, I was surprised (and thankful) when UConn missed a chance to foul Condon when he caught the ball around midcourt (left side) against UConn's press before passing ahead to one of our better FT shooters who did get fouled. I would not have had him in there at that point.
     
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  10. rserina

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    This seems to be what we scheme toward, running our point break through the 4.
     
  11. audiogatorjim

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    Because it makes too much sense.
     
  12. audiogatorjim

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    Yes, agree. But it’s not so much the passer but the players that have to get open, whether by their own movements or set plays and/or picks. I damn sure wouldn’t want to be the passer when the other four players can’t get open and the 5 second clock is running down. I think I’d want (ideally) Clayton, Richard, or Aberdeen or even Haugh to receive a pass because they are good FT shooters. Haugh sure stepped up for us in that game as far as free throws.
     
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  13. tegator80

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    Are you saying you have a problem with our inbounds plays?


    Where have I heard that before???
     
  14. GatorPlanet

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    Good point. Condo is a very good passer, but not a guy to handle the ball and shoot free throws.
     
  15. tilly

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    Football has run offs. Basketball could too.
     
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  16. tilly

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    Yeah the thought is he is the best passer so he will get it in and get it handed tight back.
     
  17. rtgator

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    Yeah, but Condon grabbed a couple BIG rebounds during crunch time.
     
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  18. WESGATORS

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    It actually is a technical foul.

    Fairly new rule: Panel approves awarding a technical foul for flopping in men’s basketball - NCAA.org

    Go GATORS!
    ,WESGATORS
     
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  19. paidinfull

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    Implemented in ‘22? I remember a few years ago seeing the call a few times like they were trying to make teams aware of it, but they seemed to have completely stopped calling it the following year. I didn’t see any calls for it this year.

    The head bob thing is out of control. Our guys do it too though.