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Against the press in the final minute...

Discussion in 'Nuttin but Net' started by oneatatime, Mar 24, 2025.

  1. oneatatime

    oneatatime GC Hall of Fame

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    I was a wondering if Coach Golden considered going with the small lineup, replacing Condon with Aberdeen and leaving Haugh as the only big and having a better ball handling and foul shooting lineup?

    If I am not mistaken, he did this at least once before.
     
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  2. GatorRider

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    Good question, and I doubt the question would even arise if Condon had hit his free throws.
     
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  3. GatorPlanet

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    That's what my bro and I were recommending.
     
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  4. shaun10

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    Question, as most of you know a lot more about basketball than I do. I think the clock was under 10 seconds when UConn fouled before the ball was even thrown inbounds, so we went to the line with no time taken off the clock. I think that's total BS, and a team should be awarded 3 shots, not just 2. If not 3 shots, then maybe take 5 seconds off the clock. Am I off base here?
     
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  5. paidinfull

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    If it’s not a “basketball play”, it should be a flagrant, 2 shots and the ball. I had a lot going on during the game and was watching on my ipad, but that particular one looked like they just got hung up. They’re going for a steal or five second violation right there, don’t think the foul was intentional. It is what it is. Just make the freakin free throws!
     
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  6. GatorRade

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    Right here
    I have long wondered why more teams don’t foul before the in bounds pass. It eventually occurred to me that the chance at a steal is almost always worth a couple of seconds of clock. When that foul happened, the clock was indeed preserved, but UConn also denied itself a shot at what it really wanted: a turnover. So I think two shots is fair, provided as paid suggests that the foul is not flagrant.
     
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  7. grant1

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    Of course it was intentioanl and was a called play by Hurley. The guy that called the foul on had WR in a hug and fell backwards trying to draw a charge. The other guy on Martin flopped trying to draw a charge. Call a flargant 1 and give us the ball. From what I read yesterday, Georgtown used to do the same crap, must be a Big LEast move.
     
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  8. phideltdj

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    That play has been around in basketball for a long time and officials don't fall for it anymore like in the past...I think if officials just called intentional fouls like they can it would clean up the end of game mess that we see but they want the potential miracle come back for ratings. Basically every foul at the end of the game by these team's trailing is intentional.
     
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  9. 31g8r

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    Does this include the double take down of out 2 guards simultaneously on the in bounds attempt?
     
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    Only 2 shots if in the double bonus
     
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  11. GratefulGator

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    We need to practice running against the press. We didn't do a great job...
     
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  12. outbackjack

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    Honestly…..when players foul at the end of a game….to stop clock and put the opponent on the free throw line.


    It is the DEFINITION OF AN INTENTIONAL FOUL. Literally told FROM THE BENCH to foul. Yes it’s their best shot….but it is without a doubt INTENTIONAL….and by rule….

    “intentional” foul is two shots and the ball.
     
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  13. GatorLurker

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    There is no such thing as an intentional foul. There are two flavors of flagrant fouls. Fouling on purpose is not necessarily a flagrant foul.
     
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  14. oneatatime

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    unfortunately our game often becomes a foul shooting contest in the closing minutes of a close game. If they can have a 10 second runoff in football, why can't they do something similar in the last 2 minutes of a basketball game?
     
  15. grantgator

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    Agree. There was a different game this weekend where they had a mandatory .3 second "runoff" and stated it was the minimum required amount of time to elapse. Why not the same thing in this case?
    Honestly I think it should be a minimum 1 second perhaps even more.
     
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    3 seconds or 1/4 of the time left, which ever is less
     
  17. BillyBall89

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    There's also the fact that its become a known, I guess issue, that refs legitimately want to be able to say they reffed "that game", as in, some close game that you can say "George Mason UConn 2006" or sometimes even a call from the game "By George, the dream is alive!" and some obviously try to make it closer than it should be at the end to synthetically create those endings.
     
  18. tegator80

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    Maybe instead of calling them flagrant fouls with malice intent, they could be called "you got caught and got dinged". Instead of the "intent", give them a 2 or 5 minute time out, like hockey. That would clean up this mess a lot.

    Personally, my biggest beef is how when the game is on the line, everything is about the refs and how they can check out every nuance of the game. This is SO frustrating and it completely takes away the flow of the game in the name of "righteous". The NBA had its "WWE" moment in the 90s with the Detroit Pistons. Yes, it took some time to get the refs and rules to overcome the mugging, but it made it. And to an old adage, "if you aren't cheating, you aren't trying to win." We just need to give quality refs (and get rid of the incompetent ones) fewer instructions and develop intuition and discernment and stop thinking that every "close play at the plate" must be perfectly called. Just make sure that the refs call it evenly and mistakes are pretty much evenly distributed.
     
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  19. GatorPlanet

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    I hate when the wrong calls are made, but I really, really hate the constant refs-going-to-the-cameras-to-verify stoppages that are extending the games.

    I actually wouldn't mind AI being put to work experimentally for a few games to try and fix this. Maybe exhibition games. If multiple cameras are placed and the footage can be instantly reviewed and a call confirmed or overturned, we'd get some sort of consensus. If they call it tight enough, we'd begin to see coaches telling their guys to stop this or that. If players that initiate fouls start getting called, Mark Sears would foul out in the first six minutes, and the whole TAMMY lineup would foul out in nine minutes. Of course, some fans would immediately start screaming that the Bots are programmed to fix the games against their own teams, but what can you do?

    I wouldn't want AI to review all action constantly and make its own calls, because every little touch would be a foul and the game would take 37 hours.
     
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  20. Agator88

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    Golden has always done it, so it will not change now, but having Clayton inbound doesn't make sense to me. Hes your best ball handler and best FT shooter. I don't understand why Haugh doesn't throw it in? I'm guessing analytics says your best passer should inbound, and I get he's usually left alone after he inbounds so passing it right back happens. Clayton is a great passer, but he does get loose on the inbound pass from time to time.
     
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