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Trump outsmarts China

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Orange_and_Bluke, Feb 12, 2025.

  1. CHFG8R

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    True on that. But then there are all of Elon Galt's investments in China, like their AI project. Think he's giving those up? Think he's losing a single chip, paying a single tariff?
     
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    Remember back when you pretended you didn't love Trump?

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  3. CHFG8R

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    I'm curious. Why is leasing (someone paying us for the right to build) a bad thing?
     
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    Obama's preacher Jeremiah Wright was asked by author Ed Klein if he ever converted Obama from Islam to Christianity. He said he didn't know.

    Obama was also gay and he smoked crack per Larry Sinclair
     
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  5. wgbgator

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    Who is the best thing going? I mean there are lots of governments I consider more progressive and forward thinking than America's, and literally any parliamentary democracy on Earth has a better system of government than the US. Canada, Germany, Norway, Iceland, Sweden, Finland ... shit even Mexico is lapping us in terms of stable governance and progressivism
     
  6. CHFG8R

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    I'm not talking about America (albeit, it is the hub), but the Western System generally. Europe, the US, Canada, Mexico, Japan, N. Korea, etc. In the end, they're all versions of the same rules-based system. So, I guess we agree that, outside of that, there is nothing better on offer.

    In fact, this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Countries who agree on a rules-based system, but are free to interpret democracy in a way that suits them. Don't see much of that coming out of China, Russia, Middle East, etc. Or, for that matter, the collection of idiots in the White House.
     
  7. wgbgator

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    The US doesn't believe in a "rules based system" other than we get to make the rules and if you dont like it, here are some sanctions/tariffs/regime change until you do. There are countries that have made peace with that so they don't have to deal with that, plus they get weapons and such. Many countries don't want to poke the bear. Many pray not to be caught up between two bears like Ukraine. Once the soft power stuff people like goes away (foreign aid, shitty entertainment), we aren't left with much that wins hearts and minds. If China starts making good movies, music and TV ... watch out, we will be cooked.
     
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  8. CHFG8R

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    Dude, just STFU.

    Or, just carry on.
     
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  9. wgbgator

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    Its amazing people can still think we are "rules based" when we cant even follow our own rules, I know people dont want to hear it because of some abiding affection for the geography they were born into, but it is what it is.
     
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  11. CHFG8R

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    Go to China or Russia. You'll quickly see the difference. Or Saudi or a host of other places where they can arbitrarily do what they want depending on the mood of the Great Leader in that moment.

    Again, spare me.
     
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  13. wgbgator

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    I'm pretty sure those places are even more into "rules" and what I would regard as "extreme" consequences for them than we are. Like you can say executing people for corruption is a little extreme, but that doesnt happen here because its you know, legal lol.

    You will never read a story like this here:

    China Executes Former Official in $412 Million Corruption Case

    In China Rick Scott would be dead, not a US Senator
     
  14. Orange_and_Bluke

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  15. CHFG8R

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    Not sure what you don't get about this or why you choose to be snarky, but it's pretty simple. In the west, there is a process. It might even be a hopelessly corrupted process, but a process nonetheless. That is what is meant by Rule of Law. This in direct contrast to Rule by Putin or Rule by Xi or Rule by MBS. Either you're being intentionally evasive, or you're just dense.
     
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    Also, any amount says the "official" was the scapegoat so the CCP officials could pocket most of it for themselves. When China announces such things, it's for effect. Otherwise they just kill you and move on.
     
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    The real Chinese crash comes when The United States of America takes all Chinese owned companies off American stock exchanges. I'm sure that's the ace in our pocket.

    I would stop crowing Chinese (only/mostly) crops, just for starters... soybeans.
     
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  18. wgbgator

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    Why do you think that? They see corruption as a crime against the state because it reflects poorly on their governance, and undercuts the legitimacy of the CCP. Back when we cared about corruption, we did things like Abscam for the same reason. Corruption undercuts legitimacy. Was Abscam showy? Yes, but it set the tone for awhile.
     
  19. CHFG8R

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    LOL! You literally believe their BS. Trust me, everything you hate about our government and the west, they do to the power of 1000. If they're talking about it, you know it's bullshit. Anti-Corruption Campaign = Xi Purges of anyone who "could" be a threat. But, yeah, they "care about corruption", LOL!
     
  20. wgbgator

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    I dont need to trust you about it, we don't punish corruption at all (and even if we do we have people that will pardon them or nullify convictions, whether its politicians or courts). Whatever you say their motivations are, they appear more concerned about the appearance of elite impunity than the US government is.

    Also why is it that the people who say you believe their propaganda are the most obviously buying into our own propaganda? Just an observation. I dont subscribe to anything pro-Chinese so I dont even know how their shit would be reaching me.