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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. chemgator

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    Russia has gotten desperate enough to send wounded troops to North Korea for medical treatment. The end may not be so far off. It's bad enough for Russia that they are losing the war militarily, but having their economy collapse to the point that they would trust one of the most backward nations on earth to provide medical care for their wounded soldiers must be totally humiliating for Russia. Do you think they wash the rusty hacksaw between amputations?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/11/...ers-north-korea-treatment-intl-hnk/index.html

     
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  2. G8trGr8t

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    asymetrical warfare, a cable for you, a tanker for me or Ukranian sabotage divers or drones working behind enemy lines?

    'Limpet mines' suspected of blowing three holes in 'shadow fleet' oil tanker in Russian port

    A tanker in a Russian port hit by three explosions is suspected to have been damaged by “limpet mines,” according to maritime expert.

    Ambrey Intelligence said the incident which struck the Koala vessel comes after other ships with “a similar trading profile” have been damaged by explosions.
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    If confirmed, their use would point to a sabotage operation targeting Vladimir Putin’s “shadow fleet” which is being used to try to bust sanctions on oil trade with Russia.

    Ukraine has carried out a series of successful maritime sabotage operations against Russian ships.
     
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  3. duggers_dad

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    Putin has seven types of cancer, heart attack and stroke, economy in shambles, trying to avoid a firing squad but looks to be getting everything he wanted …

     
  4. duggers_dad

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    Putin rehabbing from being paralyzed from the neck down …

     
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  5. G8trGr8t

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    Zelensky convinces the skid that the USA should develop the REM infrastructure to make Ukraine a major exporter of REM in exchange for allowing the US to continue to fund the war and a % of something they don't have right now. Makes him vested in keeping Ukraine happy in peace terms

    Feels like a big win for Ukraine even if they jsut get the jobs and part of the ownership of the infrastructure ti develop their resources..just had to make the skid think it was his idea and he was winning biggly, huuuugely even.

    Trump says Ukraine has ‘essentially agreed’ to allow the US access to $500B in rare earth minerals
     
  6. G8trGr8t

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    the drunk tv star just gave up Crimea, more coming for Putin

    US Secretary of Defense considers it "unrealistic" for Ukraine to return to pre-2014 borders

    A return to Ukraine's pre-2014 borders is an "unrealistic" goal, as stated by US Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, at a NATO meeting in Brussels. He also mentioned that the US does not see Ukraine's accession to NATO as part of a peace plan to end the war in Ukraine.

    "We, like you, want a sovereign and prosperous Ukraine, but we must start by recognizing that returning to Ukraine's pre-2014 borders is an unrealistic goal. Pursuing this illusory goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering," were Pete Hegseth's words.
     
  7. G8trGr8t

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    good that they caught him but bad that he was able to get there

    US Secretary of Defense considers it "unrealistic" for Ukraine to return to pre-2014 borders

    Ukrainian Security Service detains head of anti-terrorism unit working for Russia
    The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) has detained the head of its counterterrorism department on charges of working for Russia, as reported by the Ukrainian spy agency in a statement, according to Efe.

    According to SBU chief Vasil Maliuk, the alleged spy was involved in "fourteen episodes of non-regulatory activity" documented by the SBU itself.

    Maliuk explained that the operation against the alleged traitor involved various forms of surveillance through video, audio, and by infiltrating his mobile phones and computers, proving how the former head of the SBU's anti-terrorist unit was passing information to the enemy.
     
  8. uftaipan

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    Well, I have to ask the question, “Do you think it’s realistic to return to the 2014 borders by negotiation?” If the answer is yes, then I would like to know how. I would also like to know if you think Harris could have returned the situation to 2014 and how.

    To reiterate my position, I also would like to see the world reset to 2014, but I don’t see how it could be done by negotiated settlement. By increasing military and economic pressure to the point of Russian collapse, it certainly could be done. And it may still come to that if Russia does not give significantly in any negotiations. But I don’t think Russia will even come to the table if it means giving up Crimea, and they have both bled too much and not bled enough for that to seem like a good deal.
     
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  9. CHFG8R

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    Is that your "material" for later?
     
  10. CHFG8R

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    Let's be real here. Crimea was never going back to Ukraine. Given there are over 1M Russians there, probably best for them they don't get it back. Obvious strategic issues notwithstanding, I just can't see it happening or not being a disaster on the slim chance Ukraine recovered it.
     
  11. CHFG8R

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    We lost any chance with the muddling around in the first year. Should have sent them everything we could spare the minute they stopped that advance on Kiev. The "counteroffensive" they advertised for 6 months was also pretty boneheaded, especially without any air support (let alone air superiority). Why not go Ludendorff and set up kill zones and bait them into attacking? Makes more sense than smashing your head into a wall.

    Now, it's just a morass and, frankly, I can't find anyone without blame. On our end we get the awesome choice of wafflers (Ds) or straight-up traitors (MAGA).
     
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  12. G8trGr8t

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    if Russia wants to be accepted back into the league of nations and financial systems, the 2014 borders should be restored. There are other levers besides bullets
     
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  13. oragator1

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    I don’t think Crimea is going back either, but taking it off the board entirely before negotiations even start only hampers Ukraine and helps Russia in the eventual final deal. The answer should be “it will be up to the parties to negotiate a settlement.”
     
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  14. PITBOSS

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    What is it with trumps admiration for Putin?! we all want to see an end to it - but will the “deal” be Russia keeps the land they’ve acquired from their invasion, they keep 1000s of children they kidnapped, no war crimes for their atrocities, they rule any Ukrainians in their newly acquired territory and US turns on all financial accommodations to Russia?

    all trump cares about is posting about how he made a deal.


     
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  15. uftaipan

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    I agree, but I don't think Russia will. Patience, my friend. I have no idea how things are going to turn out, but I don't think it's going to be with a negotiated settlement in the next 100 days that leaves Russia in control of its stolen land (and land that Russia has failed to steal militarily), all sanctions lifted, and Ukraine vulnerable to another attack once Russia has licked its wounds. I still think ultimately negotiations will fail because Russia will not settle for less than that, even though it lacks the capability to impose its will militarily. But an offer for negotiations six months from now, after another failed Russian offensive and even more corrosive economic warfare, may see a different tone than what you see today.
     
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  16. G8trGr8t

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    Agreed but I don't think you open negotiations by giving up before you walk into the room. that was capitulation with more to be asked of Ukraine.
     
  17. PITBOSS

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    “The United States does not believe that NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement,” Hegseth said,

    We’re also here today to directly and unambiguously express that stark strategic realities prevent the United States of America from being primarily focused on the security of Europe,” he added.

    They just surrendered one of the main points of leverage before negotiations even begin," posted former State Department spokesman Matthew Miller.

    There it is," added national security lawyer Bradley Moss. "They're going to surrender territory."


    'Russia is popping champagne': Onlookers blast Pete Hegseth after big Ukraine announcement
     
  18. duggers_dad

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  19. sierragator

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    On a silver platter. When is the Putin/Trump summit and victory lap? I'm sure Trump can't wait to host Putin in DC and royally kiss his ass.
     
  20. CaptUSMCNole

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    I have a feeling that Crimea had to be taken off the board before the Russians would be willing to agree to sit down at the table to talk peace. Russia under Putin has invested a ton of blood, sweat, tears, and money into Crimea and if it were to go back to Ukraine, it would signal to Putin's enemies that he is vulnerable. If peace is going to be achieved in the short term, Crimea is going to have to stay in Russian hands.
     
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