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What's happening in DeSantistan 2.0

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gator_lawyer, Jun 9, 2023.

  1. G8trGr8t

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  2. CHFG8R

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    They can say what they want, and I don't agree with his pandering DEI policies, but overall we could do a lot worse than DeSantis. Like, the former governor, for instance. Just a worthless, carpetbagging, corrupt POS to the core. So bad his own party hates him. Hell, even MAGA keeps him at arm's distance even though he bends the knees every day to worship Donald's jock.
     
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    I heard this subject being discussed on the radio this morning as I was going to McDonalds. They said that reading scores were down in all 50 states for 8th graders. I think this is terrible. Many blame the Covid years as part of the problem where students missed in some cases close to a half a year of school.
     
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  4. G8trGr8t

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    he didn't force his own personal religious agenda on the state. he didn't use federal funds and the line item veto to punish anyone who disagreed with him and reward his supporters. I could go on about school vouchers, New College, removal of elected officials for political reasons...sorry, Scott isn't a good guy but desi is a whole nother level of evil convinced his evangelical ways are what a real leader must force upon the unclean masses for their own benefit.

    edit.. there can always be worse, that isn't where I set the bar
     
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  5. CHFG8R

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    Get off My Beach Law. Carpetbagger signed it, with no sense of shame, as the Governor of Florida. Tells me everything I need to know about that scumbag and his carpetbagger Marco Island buddies. DeSantis is pandering. Scott was more quiet in his evil but far more obvious in his utter contempt for real Floridians.
     
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    Despite the drop in all 50 states, Florida has dropped below the national average for the first time in years.
     
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  7. G8trGr8t

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    not a fan of private property rights? customary use was equivalent to squatters rights for the public benefit. if the state watns the alnd for public use, the state should buy the land, just like they do anywhere else. 8th generation floridian, have no problem with staying off your property, have corrected more than one person as to where their property actually is too
     
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    Beaches are public. Always have been and always should be. If you don't like that, move to Georgia or buy on a lake. . . or stay in NY!

    Hilarious (and telling) that the politicians pushing this were from Naples/Marco Island and Boca Raton. Again, tells you everything you need to know.
     
  9. G8trGr8t

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    define beach. land was sold to people and they own it. it is oceanfront and has sand. it is privately owned. it is not publicly owned, never has been sinc ethe time it was surveyed, platted, and sold. if the state wants it, they can buy it back. that land is no different than any other piece of deeded property in the state just because it abuts the ocean. public owns to mean high water or to the deeded corner but MHW at a minimum. I'm from poor cracker family, live in Naples, born in Miami, wth does that have to do with private property rights..now people telling me I can't fish under the docks, i got that statute saved to show the fwc officer I'm about to call to get them cited for interfering with or attempting to prevent the lawful taking of fish, game, or nongame animals by another. someone trying to mark off the beach past the MHW, I'll tear them up myself and wait on the popo to get there.

    Chapter 379 Section 105 - 2011 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate
     
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    So, let me get this straight. You have a problem with people not allowing you to fish under their docks, but you think they own all the property past the high water line. Remember, HWL (even mean) is still pretty high up the beach. And that's what they backtracked to, because the original intent was to fence all the way to and maybe into the water. Isn't that what carpetbagger DB Mike Huckabee tried to do in the panhandle?

    Again, anyone who grew up here knows that the beach (below the HWL) is public and always has been. And Naples and Miami are notorious for carpetbaggers who always want to change things to the "way they were up north" or at the very least, something that works for them at the expense of everyone else.

    But I get it. As you said earlier, you work for a developer (or something developer adjacent).
     
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  12. G8trGr8t

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    No. Public owns to MHW. Nothing in the law changed that. That has never changed and I'm in full support of that. Navigable water is public in Florida and stomping your feet or spraying the boat with a hose or throwing stuff in water to scare fish is against the law. In both cases, I support the law.
     
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    They wanted more. They settled for that after the uproar. God forbid they have to see the rabble walk by.
     
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    walk nothing, this rabble likes to strut if they want to watch :). Ill beach my boat on parts of Big Hickory Island to walk the beach and look for bait and hyatt staff will try and tell me that is their beach because it fronts their beach club. at least they used to, I think they got the memo.
     
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    It’s not surprising seeing a COVID effect, seems a little odd it would be worse in ‘24 than ‘22. But maybe that had to do with the age of the children at the time of COVID and how it impacted them at the time they were starting to read books? Just a guess on my part. If that were true in 2-4 more years you’d expect the #’s to bounce back up as the COVID effect cycles out completely. Otherwise something else is going on (such as social media brain damage).

    There’s also the matter of FL underperformance, so while the trend is national that is state specific.
     
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  16. CHFG8R

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    I love it. Good for you!!
     
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    Declines started before COVID. IMO, look no further than electronic devices and parenting. Why give a kid a book when you can keep them occupied for hours with a tablet or smartphone.

    As for Florida, yeah, lack of accountability in private schools is a concern. 70% of those receiving Florida tax payer voucher money are not accredited.

    The declines started before the pandemic, continued during it and have persisted since. While the lowest-achieving students fell further behind everyone else, the slides were broad, affecting students across different states, school types, races and economic backgrounds.

    https://www.wsj.com/us-news/educati...udents-5fb78d4e?mod=Searchresults_pos1&page=1
     
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  18. G8trGr8t

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    bad news for desi last week. if only dc would take note and the legislature remember that they are supposed to be a different branch of power than the executive.

    no more contracts for midnight flights to special buddies??

    actually going to staff up to try and use / enforce e-verify. none of whaich will solve the labor problem, guess a recession will solve that

    still don't understand how that whole fiasco wasn't illegal and not prosecuted by an IG or something? Do the laws and rules even matter if there is no enforcement?

    Florida's GOP-Controlled Legislature Strips DeSantis' Immigration Powers: 'We Should Have Accountability'


    Florida lawmakers have moved to take nearly all immigration enforcement powers away from Gov. Ron DeSantis, exposing divisions within the state's Republican leadership over the handling of key immigration programs.The Legislature's decision comes as DeSantis pushed for a special session to expand his migrant relocation program, which has faced scrutiny for a lack of transparency and effectiveness. Lawmakers also raised concerns over his administration's enforcement of E-Verify, a system meant to check the legal status of workers, as reported by the Miami Herald. In a bill passed Tuesday night, lawmakers transferred control of these programs to Agriculture Commissioner Wilton Simpson, who will now oversee Florida's immigration enforcement efforts.

    In 2022 DeSantis secured $12 million for the relocation program, which he used to fly about 50 migrants from Texas to Martha's Vineyard. Another flight took migrants from Texas to Sacramento in 2023, but since then, it is unclear how the remaining $9.4 million has been spent. Top Republican lawmakers said they had no idea how many, if any, migrants were transported from Florida under the program. "That's why we should have accountability," said Sen. Joe Gruters, R-Sarasota. The bill gives Simpson authority to review the program's effectiveness and decide whether it should continue. The governor's office did not respond to questions about the program, which is still run by a private contractor.

    Lawmakers also rejected DeSantis' request for $350 million to expand the program to send migrants to other countries. "I don't think that the proposal we saw originally in the governor's proposed ideas made a lot of sense, quite frankly," Rep. Lawrence McClure, R-Dover, said Tuesday. Gruters said the state has only issued eight warning letters to companies for noncompliance with the E-Verify system—none since 2022. McClure added, "There's not a lot of data there, which is concerning." The bill that shifts E-Verify enforcement to Simpson's office also adds 17 staffers for audits.

    Sen. Jason Pizzo, D-Miami, pointed to a case where a Honduran immigrant in the U.S. illegally killed a sheriff's deputy while working for a state road contractor. DeSantis did not penalize the company, and the state's investigation was two pages long. "The bottom line is, the governor is not good at this," Pizzo said. Sen. Randy Fine, R-Melbourne Beach, said the shift in authority makes sense. "The governor has more to do than Wilton Simpson does," he said. "He's got a state to run."
     
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