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Trump fires 17 (known) IG's on Friday Night Massacre - Who needs oversight?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Jan 24, 2025 at 11:47 PM.

  1. coleg

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    The felon actually appointed some of them. Congress was concerned about his 1st term firings of IG for non-worship. etc so that they passed legislation to curtail taking down this guardrail in 2022. Looks like they were rightly concerned.
     
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  2. G8trGr8t

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    these are inspector generals that should not be subject to politics.
     
  3. CaptUSMCNole

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    And it is likely unconstitutional since Congress’ only roll is to advise and consent on political appointees, not notification of their firing.
     
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  4. coleg

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    Do you seriously think that this Pres. cares or is cognizant of literally any Constitutional laws?
     
  5. G8trGr8t

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    if he provide case specific reasons to justify the request of a senate confirmed appointee and the cases cited met objective criteria, i would not object to any potus removing any IG. that isn't what is happening here and you know that. this is just another step in the takeover. a push to see if anyone will push back.

    if any potus firs a block of ig's strictly for political reasons, I will always object, as everyone should
     
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    The Dear Leader can do no wrong.
     
  7. CaptUSMCNole

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    Then why are they political appointees? If you do not like them being political appointees, then change the law but there is nothing crazy or unusual about a new Admin replacing political appointees.
     
  8. G8trGr8t

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    it is their job to make sure that the agency operates according to the law...would you agree
     
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    2 people, including you, responded to my post
     
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  10. GatorBen

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    I suspect the president personally probably doesn’t even know who any of these IGs are. But I think that legal advisors to the administration are certainly aware of the constitutional questions surrounding removal powers, and I expect that some of them are likely eager to try to roll back what they see as legislative encroachments on executive power that were enacted specifically to try to limit what this particular president could do.
     
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  11. CaptUSMCNole

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    No POTUS needs to justify it. They are political appointees and it is completely normal for a new POTUS to request their resignation. If you do not think they should be political appointees, change the law. But the current law allows the POTUS to fore them and we are back to you being upset over people electing Trump so now he can exercise normal POTUS.
     
  12. OklahomaGator

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    I think the same thing applies to US Attorneys, usually the President asks for all of their resignations when there is a Presidential change.
     
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  13. G8trGr8t

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    so senator grassley iw wrong

    that whole law requiring case specific reasons doesn't exist

    regardless of the law, has it ever happened before

    should the IG be independent of political influence?

    of course not, likely believe that the judicial branch should also be political. like i've said, the collapse of checks and balances. conquered from within without ever firing a shot
     
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  14. GatorBen

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    Not really - that both over and understates their role in some regards.

    Their job is to investigate and audit waste, fraud, or abuse; it’s not to opine on whether the substantive policies of the agency comply with the agency’s enabling statutes.
     
  15. gator_jo

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    Funny to watch the cult make excuses for the un-American criminal.

    Sad for our country, of course, but funny.
     
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  16. GatorBen

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    I think a lot of the pushback you’re seeing (at least from my end) has very little to do with any particular president, as opposed to the fetishization of the administrative state and the idea that there should be a self-sustained, self-governing, and largely unanswerable aspect of the executive branch empowered to act entirely independent of the elected executive.
     
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  17. G8trGr8t

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    Reagen is the only other potus to do this and then rehired half of the 17 total that existed. they then strengthened the law to prevent this very sort of thing from happening. the entire premise of the agency was to be independent, it is why it required senate approval.

    quit trying to make it smell better, argue the law all day but it's still a steaming pile of crap. what part of independent do you think will remain? do as told, report back accordingly

    Trump Fires Several Inspectors General—Here’s Why That Matters

    Hannibal Ware, inspector general of the Small Business Administration, disputed his removal in an email to the White House while noting the ousted officials “do not believe the actions taken are legally sufficient,” the Post reported. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer called the firings a “chilling purge.” Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., accused Trump of “dismantling checks on his power and paving the way for widespread corruption.” Rep. Gerald Connolly, D-Va., called the firings a “Friday night coup” and an “attack on transparency and accountability,” suggesting Trump’s replacements would be “political hacks.”

    Congress created the inspector general role in 1978 to improve oversight within federal agencies. The officials carry out independent investigations and audits of federal spending and operations before reporting their findings to Congress and the public.


    IGNET | Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency; IGnet

    The Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency (CIGIE) is an independent entity established within the executive branch to address integrity, economy and effectiveness issues that transcend individual Government agencies and aid in the establishment of a professional, well-trained and highly skilled workforce in the Offices of Inspectors General.
     
  18. coleg

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    In a checks and balance system, Congress felt that IG positions should remain out of political winds. One reason their terms don't coincide with new admins.
     
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  19. gator_jo

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    And yet your semantics entirely avoid the thoroughly obvious point that these are the actions of a clearly documented, even adjudicated, criminal who is solely trying to eliminate impartial oversight of future criminal actions.
     
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  20. OklahomaGator

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    Take your blinders off, this happens.

    Biden's Justice Department to ask nearly all Trump-era U.S. attorneys to resign

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-s-justice-department-
    ask-nearly-all-trump-era-u-n1257100

    The Biden administration will begin removing all Senate-confirmed U.S. attorneys appointed during the Trump administration, with two exceptions, a senior Justice Department official said.

    The process, which is not uncommon, could start as early as Tuesday. They will be asked to resign.
     
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