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Trump fires 17 (known) IG's on Friday Night Massacre - Who needs oversight?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Jan 24, 2025 at 11:47 PM.

  1. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator VIP Member

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    y'all are all up in arms- pretty sure he is required to give Congress a 30 day notice so this may not stay
     
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  2. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    is that what the law says? are you sure?
     
  3. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator VIP Member

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    nope and I changed my post to reflect that
     
  4. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    now up to 17

    Trump fires 17 independent watchdogs at multiple agencies in late-night move - ABC News


    In a late-night Friday move, President Donald Trump fired at least 17 independent watchdogs -- known as inspectors general -- at multiple federal agencies, sources familiar with the move told ABC News.

    The conversations about ousting these government watchdogs began during Trump's transition back to the White House.

    While inspectors general can be fired by the president — it can only happen after communicating with Congress 30 days in advance and in 2022 Congress strengthened the law requiring administrations to give a detailed reasoning for the firing of an IG.
     
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  5. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    and you are still incorrect. although a detailed reason can be anything in the eyes of MAGA, a federal judge hopefully will have something to say about cause

    there is a reason a man known his whole life as a crooked businessman would want to fire the very people who are supposed to contain corruption in the gubmnt...and you seem fine with that..

    wake up man..imagine a world where these rules apply and you are in the minority

    edit...i have usually been in the majority for most of my life. i was raised to protect the minority and not allow abuse of power.
     
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  6. sierragator

    sierragator GC Hall of Fame

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    Along with the " nothing to see here" bullshit.
     
  7. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    do you care if the government becomes as corrupt as third world countries? IG's were put into our system to insure that doesn't happen.


    Trump fires 17 independent watchdogs at multiple agencies in late-night move - ABC News

    "First of all to remind that our Inspector General can't be removed from office until the president, and that's any president, not just Trump. So this is a message to all these presidents you've got to tell Congress a month ahead of time the reasons for removing them," Grassley said.

    He added, "And the other thing is that inspector generals are expected to be independent of political pressure, independent of the head of the agency, and to make sure that the law is enforced and money spent appropriately, and there shouldn't be any political pressure against any of his work."

    In a letter to the White House Friday, Mike Ware, the Small Business Administration inspector general and chair of the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency, said the firing of the independent watchdogs over email is not "legally sufficient to dismiss Presidentially Appointed, Senate confirmed Inspectors General."
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    "The requirement to provide the substantive rationale, including detailed and case specific reasons, was added to better enable Congress to engage on and respond to a proposed removal of an Inspector General in order to protect the independence of Inspectors General," Ware wrote.
     
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  8. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator VIP Member

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    I am going to trust our President- matters little to me what that makes you or the other libs think
     
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  9. coleg

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    Just like a dutiful little cultist should say.
     
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  10. vaxcardinal

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    Never been to Oklahoma so never read the Bible’s in their hotel rooms
     
  11. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    do you deal with gubmnt contracts? if so a s buyer / seller or ??

    imagine a spec written by a sole supplier so specific that the only way it could be met is if the cpontractor that wrote the spec gets the contract. public money, to the contractor of their choice, with no oversight..sounds like a great plan..oh..don't forget, eliminate the debt ceiling

    As part of my job, I have to author/amend/review specs for public bid to meet certain bonding requirements. Those bid specs can easily be tailored to cut the field to a handful of candidates, ie 3 - 4 contractors. That is on a relatively simple bid with nothing taller than a fire hydrant other than maybe a mast arm or light pole. On a complex bid, it would be simple to structure the bid to pick the contractor before the bid is ever put on the street.

    In a normal world, that doesn't happen because an IG would eat it up and people would pay. I can jsutify narrowing the fiels, I won't risk my license or my personal ethics to pick the bidder before the bid.

    Replace the IG, not so much..tip of the iceberg and just the narrow slice of the pie that I see from my cheap seats

    tifwiw
     
  12. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    does it matter what the law or the constitution says?
     
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  13. G8trGr8t

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    it will be interesting to see if he goes after the three that voted against the drunk. McConnell in particular. How much abuse will the three of them tolerate while waiting to be primaried or threatened with being primaried. will the ice queen make that tiger change his stripes and let this go or will their opposition harden? he isn't one to compromise or let things go. a solidified block of three to block the egregious issues would only need one more. maybe the IG issue will find one. Certainly the gabbard hearing will
     
  14. GatorBen

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    He may be doing this, at least in part, because he wants to pick the fight on the constitutionality of that law.

    The constitutionality of congressionally imposed limitations on the removal of presidentially-appointed executive branch officers is a prickly and not terribly well developed area of constitutional law. There are substantial limits on what Congress can do with respect to trying to stop a president from being able to remove executive branch officers, but the courts haven’t hammered out what the precise bounds of those limits are in most circumstances.

    The 2022 changes to inspector general provisions were passed in response to Trump replacing a number of IGs with acting inspectors general during his first term, and I suspect that he may be fairly eager to get a shot at having a court strike those changes down.
     
  15. rivergator

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    that's some serious loyalty there, Bill.
     
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  16. G8trGr8t

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    the law wasn't ever even contemplated because it was never envisioned that any potus would stock the civil service with highly partisan employees, the entire system is set up to not be subjected to rapid change due to the change in office. can any company, in any industry, tolerate the regulatory whipsaw that would, and may, ensue with each change in office? Imagine the long-term damage to our economy with that kind of inconsistency. business hates inconsistency, it is inefficient. rolling the civil service and rules over to executive whim with each change in election would be disastrous long-term. Now if you just want short term grift..well, that's different.

    i'll defer to @GatorLaw to argue the constitutionality of it. Not my field but I know right from wrong and the IG has to be politically independent as does the judiciary in order for our gubmnt to work as intended. I
     
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  17. CaptUSMCNole

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    These are political appointees. It is within the right of every new POTUS to request or demand their resignation and appoint new ones. Are we really going to freak out over a 30 Day notice that as @GatorBen points out may or may not be constitutional?

    Here is an idea, let’s check to see if the people Trump “fired” are political appointees or not before getting upset about this. I think this is the second thread I’ve seen where political appointees are being fired when it is completely normal during a change of Administration.
     
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  18. CaptUSMCNole

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    Now remember this argument next time Democrats demand an end to the filibuster.

    Political appointees can be asked and expect to have tender their resignation at the start of every new Administration. Would you be upset if Biden wanted the resignation of Trump appointed IG’s in ‘20?

    If you want to be mad about something, bring up Trump pulling Bolton’s and Pompaeo’s Security Details. That is something to be upset about.
     
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  19. gator_jo

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    Your posts are basically what Bluke's would be if they were words, not GIFs.

    You don't inform, affirm, enlighten, offend, expand, oppose, amuse, educate, entertain, persuade, describe.....nothing. Does anyone ever even respond to you?

    I'm starting to see the beauty of Bluke actually only communicating through GIFs. At least for some people.
     
  20. GatorBen

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    Inspector generals aren’t civil service, they’re political appointees - they’re just supposed to be quasi-independent of most of the other political appointees in the agency.

    And it certainly has happened before - the original IG Act was passed under Carter, and Reagan asked for the resignation of every single IG (the same as every other political appointee) when he took office. Politicos got bent out of shape over that, and since then they haven’t been turned over en masse during presidential transitions, but it’s not like removing them for essentially no reason was unheard of. With one of the ones Obama fired, the entirety of the explanation he provided to Congress was that he “no longer had the fullest confidence” in the IG.

    As for the suggestion that executive branch governance should largely be independent of the elected executive, that’s a different issue - it isn’t the IGs job to stop agencies from making major policy changes.
     
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