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Musk, Kennedy disagree on weight-loss drugs

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by rivergator, Dec 29, 2024.

  1. duggers_dad

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    I’ll drip feed you: iatrogenic.
     
  2. duggers_dad

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    Ironically, the medical doctors were the original quacks. Also, layout does not invalidate a study.

    But I’m grateful for the opportunity to clarify what I mean by “error.” I suspect that it may be an error to administer chemo, radiation, ventilation, antivirals, biopsies and exploratory surgeries, statins, antivirals, anti-hypertensives, bariatric surgery and I could go on. Oh, and certainly vaccines.

    I’m talking standards of care. I’m talking the very paradigm.

    To your question as to how many have died by not following a doctor’s orders, I would want to know the nature of the orders.

    Of possible interest: a million cancer cases were said to have been missed, in the U.K., during 2020-21 when hospitals were essentially turned into Covid facilities and people encouraged to stay home.

    One million in the U.K. translates to millions in the U.S. Yet, cancer deaths were said to be down over that same period.

    Things that make you go hmmm …
     
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  3. PetrolGator

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    Novel idea: trust professionals, not conspiracy theorist environmental lawyers or dime store Howard Hughes.
     
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  4. gatorpa

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    So are you actually suggesting that patients who were never seen and had cancer should count as “missed” cases of cancer?
     
  5. duggers_dad

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    I gather you chose not to read the article that appears to support my contention.

    Healthcare kills.
     
  8. gatorpa

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    No I read it, it doesn’t support your assertion that cancer not diagnosed because a patient wasn’t seen is a medical error resulting in death.

    Some who never saw a Dr. did not receive care thus healthcare didn’t kill.

    Consider how many people would be dead in the absence of our health care system.

    Oh that’s right just exercise and eat right and you’ll never die.
     
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  9. lacuna

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    Only if you're healthy and living pain free...
     
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  10. duggers_dad

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    You misunderstand, myriad lives may have been saved for NOT receiving treatment.

    The article regards the missed cases as a net-negative. I speculate a net-positive.

    And we’re all going to die. But some of us receive treatment and die sooner.
     
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  11. gatorpa

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    That’s an even worse take than what I thought you were suggesting.
     
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  12. duggers_dad

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    I’m not responsible for your cognitive dissonance. I’m simply stating that “traditional healthcare” is built on a fraudulent foundation.

    That doesn’t mean that if I had a compound fracture I wouldn’t be grateful for a surgeon.
     
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  13. mdgator05

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    Compound fractures don't exist. It is just the body riding itself of incorrect angles.
     
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  14. reboundgtr

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    how many medications for other conditions list weight gain as a side effects? Fun fact most anti psychotics taken increase your weight. I know and now I’ve acquired a potential neurodegenerative issue because of anti psychotics that kept me fat even though I exercised and ate okay. The spiral some fall into is hard to control. Thanks for your empathy and advice though.
     
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  15. reboundgtr

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    A pill helped me stop smoking after 7 tries. 17 years later it was a good choice. The drug, family/group support and tired of being chained to tobacco made the final success possible.

    The weight loss/diabetic drugs are part of a life changing process. Not the drug alone. I’m on one and it’s starting to see its effects. It’s not for all. I’m working through nuero issues to get back to a a modified “regular” day where I’m not in pain or nauseous.

    My 80 year old aunt is on Ozempic and it has been linked to her improved heart rhythm and function. Her A1C is normal.
     
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  16. duggers_dad

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    Make a deal: I’ll acknowledge one aspect of healthcare (trauma surgery) is legitimate and will see a medical practitioner for a major bone break, you put another aspect of healthcare (virology) to the test by foregoing future vaccines.

    I think it’s fair.
     
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    Checking in on MAHA …

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