Florida Immigration

Doesnt help that the Florida government is allergic to convenient mass transit of any kind

 

Florida government is allergic to anything that requires planning or long term thinking. Money and power is all that matters.

 

It could stand to have more. But that’s not a FL thing so much as a national thing. And aside from perhaps the Northeast Corridor, FL is the only state that has high speed rail.

 

Mass transit has a more limited appeal when you still need a car at either end for the last few miles. It's just so much better suited to walkable cities...

 

I mean that is another thing our right-wing government is allergic to ... walkable cities, and well, just cities in general

 

I see. You're confused like many on the left. Conservatives don't hate immigrants.....they hate ILLEGAL immigrants. You all conveniently leave out the ILLEGAL part.

 

You are really out of touch with todays conservatives, they are just straight-up anti-immigration now (well, non-white immigration that is).

 

Im sure you read it correctly and I am sure you misrepresented it. I made no comments about foreign immigrants being "bad" for Florida but you already know that. I am mocking Florida for joining California as a place Americans dont want to move to. What a dose of irony.

 

In fairness, plenty of Americans want to move to FLORIDA and plenty of Americans want to move to California. It's just that plenty of Americans also want to leave these states just the same. We had some wonderful neighbors leave (FL), not because of politics, but because of cost of living. From the referenced material:

#1 Inbound shipments: Texas (8,126)
#2 Inbound shipments: FLORIDA (7,493)
#3 Inbound shipments: California (7,301)

After that, the numbers drop more substantially:

#4 Inbound shipments: Virginia (4,507)
#5 Inbound shipments: North Carolina (4,347)
#6 Inbound shipments: Washington (4,180)
#7 Inbound shipments: Colorado (2,960)
#8 Inbound shipments: Georgia (2,939)

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

I thought this was an interesting way to look at the data as well. 12 states/DC ranked higher than FLORIDA for net inbound shipments when factoring the net vs. the relative population of that state vs. FLORIDA (net, pop):

#1 North Carolina (1467, 11.05 million people)
#2 South Carolina (989, 5.48 million people)
#3 Virginia (852, 8.81 million people)
#4 Arizona (717, 7.58 million people)
#5 District of Columbia (205, 0.7 million people)
#6 Delaware (143, 1.05 million people)
#7 Oregon (300, 4.27 million people)
#8 Rhode Island (98, 1.11 million people)
#9 Alabama (338, 5.16 million people)
#10 New Mexico (154, 2.13 million people)
#11 West Virginia (125, 1.77 million people)
#12 Idaho (137, 2 million people)

(FLORIDA: 1385, 23.37 million people)

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

Can you point out where the "Conservatives" defended the legal immigrants in Springfield, Ohio from the attacks by Trump and Vance?

 

You hate a whole category of people?

 

That's what I hate as well. Can they not see they are just bringing the traffic with them?

I-75 from the Turnpike until you get past Ocala has just become unusable during the winter months and spring break. And it'll get even worse with the Buc-ee's they are building.

I know it won't happen, but the Suncoast Parkway needs to go from Tampa all the way up to I-10. It would give people going to Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater a second option and relieve pressure from I-75. I will also say the I-75 needs to be 4 lanes minimum, maybe even 5 lanes, each way, from I-10 to Naples.

The one good thing about Ocala is that it's inland so there's no risk of storm surge and the overall Hurricane risk is less. While it stinks from a nature perspective, areas like Gainesville, Ocala and the Villages are the areas that need to develop. Yes they can get Hurricanes but they will be Category 1 and Category 2 storms, not the more destructive Cat 3 and 4 storms and the devastating Cat 5 storms.

If Hurricanes do become a yearly thing (I don't think we're there yet but I'm not saying it couldn't happen), I could see there being a significant move away from the coast.

Honestly that's what people need to be doing now. If people even moved 10 miles inland they could still go to the beach but save money and be more prepared in the future. In all honesty, unless you are willing to self insure, the beach honestly should be reserved for State Parks, Conservation areas, Condos and Hotels, not single family homes.

I also don't get why they have to plow down every single tree. Are they just that lazy? Just look at the northern Atlanta suburbs. They can build new suburbs and keep a lot of trees, which then provide immediate shade in the summer. If they can do it in Atlanta, they can do it here. If you don't have any shade, those sidewalks in the summer become completely unusable.

 

So then how are most states not collapsing tax wise? You realize most states haven't had nearly the growth of Florida right? Heck most of us aren't even asking for the population to go down, just for it not to go up. Currently 1,000 people move to Florida each day. That's not sustainable.

Pretty darn sure that the state of Florida, with 23 million people, all of them paying sales taxes and many paying property taxes, isn't going to see it's tax structure and revenue collapse. But perhaps you can tell me why it would. And if it fails because 1,000 people move here every single day, then it deserves to collapse.

 

An easy way to slow the influx is to establish an income tax but odds of that happening are 0

 

The other way is to stop offering cost-effective insurance for coastal properties (and properties in general) via Citizens, but I suspect that is even less likely.

 

So much for the post-hurricane "exodus". Or maybe this is older data. Either way, we'll probably need a couple more to stem the tide here, if we haven't already jumped the shark as a decent place to live. Went up to Jax yesterday and the cancer has spread there too. Entire state is basically screwed.

 

Hell no! How will the South Florida developers sell those cracker-jack, prefab homes?

 

I think the main barrier would be you would piss all the people already living here off if they were thrown out of citizens into the private market, unless you could somehow grandfather people in