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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. chemgator

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    The men of Ukraine are not being fed into the meat grinder. They are operating the meat grinder. Russians are the ones being fed into the meat grinder. Only Russia has been sending in "meat waves" of troops into heavily fortified positions, not Ukraine. Obviously, if Ukraine did anything so foolish, they would have run out of troops by now. But they haven't.

    Russia has had far more casualties in this war than Ukraine has had. The only time that Russia was on the winning end of the casualties stick was when Russia was defending against Ukraine counter-attack at the urging of the U.S. and other western countries (after Russia had filled the area with mines, dragons teeth, and other defenses). That was a very brief time period in the war--Ukraine learned their lesson, and changed their tactics.

    The rest of the war, Russia's military has gone through a buzz saw. The only success they had in capturing a fortified city was to send Russian prisoners ahead to get shot so the Wagner Group troops could see where Ukraine was firing from and return fire. When they ran out of prisoners, they started using soldiers. Russia has easily had 2-3 times as many casualties as Ukraine because of this. And they almost certainly have more fatalities than Ukraine, because they typically let people die instead of risking their own life to remove them from the battlefield, and they don't put a priority on medical care for lower-ranked troops. And in the beginning of the war, Russia had a significant problem with self-inflicted wounds of soldiers looking to get out of the war in one piece. Training and military leadership are also poor on the Russian side, so greater casualty rates are inevitable.

    Watching what's happening in Kursk, it is like watching a professional sports team (Ukraine) take on a high school team (Russia). That's how bad things are going for Russia.
     
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  2. okeechobee

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    Somebody is awfully defensive here about a situation that isn’t going the way they want it to.
     
  3. uftaipan

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    Third consecutive record-setting month for Russian casualties. I’m not sure if that includes North Korean casualties or not.

     
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  4. ajoseph

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    Their position is and has always been to placate Russia and let them have what they want. That is the core of isolationism—the inability to understand that events that take place off-shore directly impact the security and future of America. History be damned.
     
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  5. ajoseph

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    I think Okee will finally be correct about what WILL happen in the War — Trump will hand the victory to Russia. And I think the results will be long-term disastrous for us.
     
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  6. homer

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    I think Ukraine is positioning themselves by making their own military hardware so they can continue without US support. That’s if Trump wants Russia to keep the land it’s captured. If Trump goes all in on Ukraine and gives Russia ultimatives then I can see an agreement. I don’t think Russia will agree to that either.
    If for some reason Trump gets both parties to agree on a reasonable solution I will be one of the first to acknowledge and appreciate it.
     
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  7. duggers_dad

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    Ukrainian lines are in a state of collapsing. Whole regiments fleeing. Russians taking three towns a day unapposed. Ukraine weapons-starved and vastly outgunned.

    But some YouTuber named Bro knows Russian casualties are increasing.
     
  8. uftaipan

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    Some good information in here on Ukraine shutting down the remaining Russian natural gas lines traversing Ukrainian territory, the economic implication for Russia, Hungarian and Slovakian economic threats intended to deter this Ukrainian action, and Poland’s nullification of those threats.

     
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  9. uftaipan

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    This video presents decent background on the Russian troubles in Chechnya. I was hoping for more information on the actual violence that has taken place since October, but I guess much of that is not open source yet.

     
  10. duggers_dad

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    If Russia was a champion boxer, people on this thread would be chattering about the nagging tendinitis, in his elbow, from landing so many punches.
     
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  11. CaptUSMCNole

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    According to you, the Russians have been on the brink of taking Lviv any day now, when in reality they have still not taken Pokrovsk, which they have been working on since May of last year. So I'm not sure you are in a position to be questioning other posters' sources.
     
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  12. duggers_dad

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    Of course you know you’re pulling such an extrapolation out of your a**. I’ve consistently pushed back on fabricated goals and timelines foisted upon Russia, the better to disparage its battlefield performance. Hell, I could just as easily argue that after twenty years, in the US’s war on the Afghans, it finally got chased out by goat herders.
     
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    “But [insert fantastical number here] Russian troops have been killed in its fruitless attempts to destroy NATO’s great proxy.”

     
  14. PITBOSS

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    The Biden admin may leave $5-6 billion in unspent funds. that along with our significant sanctions gives the incoming MAGA admin a big stick and carrot to negotiate with. We keep hearing how Trump is supposedly an effective dealmaker. We’ll soon see, and Putin will definitely try to play Trumps ego at the expense of Ukraine.

    Time runs out on Biden’s aid to Ukraine — and on Putin’s nuclear threats
     
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  15. CaptUSMCNole

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    The fact that the Russians have been trying to take Pokrovsk since May is well documented by anyone paying attention to this conflict. The fact you are not aware of it shows you might need to be paying attention to some different sources.
     
  16. duggers_dad

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    You’d think a Marine would know that it’s best to proceed with caution when people are shooting at you.
     
  17. CaptUSMCNole

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    According to you, whole regiments of the AFU are retreating from the line. Every military officer is taught to exploit success, so why is Pokrovsk still in Ukrainian hands?
     
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    Why did it take 108,000 coalition troops and daily US bombardment nine months and four days to subdue 5,000 to 10,000 IS fighters in Mosul at the cost of 40,000 civilian lives? And they didn’t have to deal with ISR and drones and endless supplies of Western wonder weapons.
     
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    Russia moving slowly seems to be the right answer for them after taking a lot of territory early on in this war, only to give it up within a few weeks/months. But there is no question Russia is steadily inching closer and closer to seizing Pokrovsk. I don't think any objective military mind would tell you Pokrovsk is further out of reach for Russia today than it was a few months ago. Russia's disciplined approach has led to very small, incremental gains and we're finally seeing that begin to payoff for Russia as their gains in the last 3 months have increased in velocity, while still keeping things centered, digging in every time they make a new advance.
     
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  20. CaptUSMCNole

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    I'm not the one claiming "whole Regiments are retreating from the line" which implies a major losses along a salient. I'm not particularly interested in taking the time to explain the differences in MOUT verses Maneuver warfare in open territories. I'm sure your top sources can explain it to you.