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New Process for Desalinization

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by chemgator, Jan 1, 2025 at 1:39 PM.

  1. chemgator

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    Australia and China researchers appear to have teamed up to discover a new process for desalinization that requires less energy. It uses minerals found in common clay to assist the evaporation of the water. It does leave a toxic, saline brine behind, but I'm sure that could be handled safely (we handle salt and clay safely). I'm surprised that this works well enough to dramatically reduce the energy requirement. I know that calcium salts give off heat when mixed with water due to heat of mixing (people with a pool may have experienced this with CaCl2), so maybe a version of that concept is part of the program. It's not my branch of chemical engineering, however.

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  2. Trickster

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    Very interesting .... and timely. Thanks.
     
  3. G8trGr8t

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    solar and desal together make so much sense. you can capture 100% of the solar power and ramp the plant up and down if you have sufficient downstream storage of processed water and battery to keep process active during reduced solar power

    with more and more of the population on the coasts, desal is the solution

    getting this to scale seems to be the challenge. maybe practical for small, remote areas or islands but not practical for cities
     
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  4. chemgator

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    Another unusual use for clay: carbon capture on the water's surface via zooplankton. If you coat the water surface at an algae bloom with clay dust at night, it will pick up carbon particulates and be eaten by zooplankton. When the sun rises, the zooplankton retreat to deeper water and defecate, where the carbon drops off to the bottom and remains there.

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  5. 96Gatorcise

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    Would tidal energy make better sense since most desal plants are built on the coastline?
     
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  6. G8trGr8t

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    depends on the tides. tidal variations of 3' like here in florida or 20' like in Alaska and other northern areas. tidal still in infancy, maintenance much harder for utility company like water and sewer company not used to operating in ocean environment
     
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    By-product Brine / salt —> molten salt reactor?
     
  8. G8trGr8t

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    deep well injection into isolated aquifers or blend with wastewater discharge if wastewater is not being treated to IQ standards and going to irrigation

    if you have areas with sufficient currents and mixing zones, it can be pumped into ocean

    each raw water source will have its own flavor of brine to be assessed for disposal and/or value to be captured (salts, rare earths or ???) from concentrate

    we dry, compress, and pelletize human sludge into fertilizer. perhaps brine could be used for road salts or ??
     
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    Logistics of transporting the salt likely raises the cost of desalination. All good ideas.

    Was curious if there are existing MSR connected to desalination plants, but on second thought, not sure you need an “endless supply” of salt for the MSR.

    Maybe there are trace minerals or deposits that can be extracted in the future.

    Brine is likely going to be unscrupulously dumped in more developing countries with needs for fresh water. One problem leads to another problem.
     
  10. G8trGr8t

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    we do deep well injection with our brine here in SW Florida. too costly to transport
     
  11. chemgator

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    Molten salt typically uses sodium, but not chloride. The formulations that I am familiar with include sodium (Na) and potassium (K) for the cat-ion (+) component, and nitrite (NO2) and nitrate (NO3) for the an-ion (-). You want a relatively low melting point so it isn't too difficult or dangerous to melt it, and this combination, in the right amounts, melts at around 300 F.

    I've worked with a couple dozen molten salt reactors in my career (in the chemical industry, not in electricity generation). Most of them are a high-temperature grade of carbon steel. Any amount of chloride above 200 ppm has a good chance of rapidly corroding the reactor shell and destroying the reactor. I am familiar with one such incident.

    Besides, the molten salt in such a reactor only needs to be changed out once every 20 years or so. Desalinization would crank out a tremendous amount of salt every day. About 99% of it would have to be disposed of even if it could be used. The salt could be stored underground, but it would be a lot.

    My house apparently uses about 4200 gallons of water per month (seems high to me--I think my daughter's long showers are the culprit). If that water came from the sea, it would require the separation and disposal of over 7 tons a year of salt (4200 gal x 8.33 lb/gal x 0.035 salt weight fraction x 12 month/yr). Multiply that by the number of households in a typical city, and you can see it is a big number.

    Many large-scale desalinization plants dump the brine back into the ocean, presumably away from their intake pipe. That's what the Saudi facility in Al-Jubail (one of the world's biggest) does.
     
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    I don't think sea brine would be preferable for road salts. Sodium chloride can only melt ice down to 20 F, while calcium chloride can melt ice down to -20 F. Also, calcium chloride is less damaging to concrete than sodium chloride. Plus, it would take more energy to evaporate the salt water down to a solid versus leaving it as a brine, plus more capital for solids handling versus pumping a liquid.

    Calcium Chloride or Sodium Chloride: Which Is Better for Melting Ice?.
     
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    chemgator explains how to fill our oceans with chit.