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Why did no one help her? Fatal subway burning exposes New York City’s sad disconnect to humanity

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by flgator2, Dec 24, 2024 at 3:46 AM.

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  1. Dec 24, 2024 at 8:09 PM #21
    antny1

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    I agree with a lot of your takes but can't get on board with this one. Why should people have to wait for someone to put their hands on someone when they're acting in a threatening manner? Dude went too far and I could understand getting negligent homicide but I'm not gonna go in on the narrative that neeleys actions weren't worthy of intervention. I have a lot of experience with homeless and I imagine I am not threatened by them nearly as much as the average person but there are lines to be crossed and I don't believe you have to wait to have physical contact to remove a threat. I wasn't there but from is a difference in a crazy person yelling and a crazy person threatening in close proximity. Ymmv
     
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  2. Dec 24, 2024 at 8:15 PM #22
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    I get that, but preemptively strangling a guy to death should be reserved for situations where there is a clear threat to life …. I have no problem with restraining a guy until police arrive … but not a choke hold for 10 minutes.
     
  3. Dec 24, 2024 at 8:18 PM #23
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    Yeah I don't disagree. He went too far with the hold but I can't get with the "harmless homeless man" narrative that polarizes the situation. Not that I believe Trump and the right putting Penny on a pedestal is appropriate although I don't vilify him like some either. If you're going to intervene like that you should know what you're doing
     
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  4. Dec 24, 2024 at 11:51 PM #24
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    According to the reports I saw, he was alive when the paramedics arrived.

    So if someone would have preemptively strangled this guy it would be okay in your eyes?
     
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  5. Dec 25, 2024 at 4:24 AM #25
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    Lol, when did I ever say I was scared of being called a racist by you libbies on TH? Never. I've always stated the facts on how you libbies LIE and try to paint us a racist. You guys would never scare anyone. I'm pretty smart, if something scares me, I don't do it or I avoid. So, it's obvious you and the other libbies don't scare me as you falsely tried to claim, makes you look even, more pathetic than you normally do.

    I have, and I could see how that's true with some, but everyone that was there and nobody helped. Do you believe that BS
     
  6. Dec 25, 2024 at 6:16 AM #26
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  7. Dec 25, 2024 at 8:06 AM #27
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    I didn’t say that, I said no one would question the methods used to stop a guy that set a person on fire. Preemptively killing a person because you are afraid they MIGHT do something harmful should be illegal. Some witnesses testified he was acting in a threatening way, others testified it was just another Tuesday afternoon on the NY subway with a mentally ill person yelling …. I can’t condone murder based on arbitrary perceptions. I think a person should have to actually do some harm before a 10 minute joke hold is justified.
     
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