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I beg your Pardon (Biden pardons 39 - and now commutes almost all death row sentences)

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by g8orbill, Dec 12, 2024.

  1. VAg8r1

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    Even more remarkable that he can run a crime family when he sleeps most of the time. A true genius.
     
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    Because if they are one color or another, they are innocent? Color make s people innocent?
     
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    It's always a comparison of numbers because you think this is a game of who can make more mistakes. Like one mistake absolves another mistake?
     
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  5. G8tas

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    It affects jury bias and conviction rates but you already know that
     
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    That's nothing compared to djt. He managed to con 49.95% of the US voters into believing he gives a chit about them
     
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  7. rivergator

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    I don’t who or know how they chose them all, but they could have done a better job

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/13/politics/joe-biden-commutations-pennsylvania-illinois/index.html
     
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  8. BLING

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    Those are pretty shitty since it sounds like those 2 deserve every second they were sentenced to and more. Hell an argument can be made public corruption on that level deserves the death penalty. Worse than a “crime of passion” homicide, actions like theirs over a longer period of time indicate a certain degree of sociopathy.

    The clemency/pardon power is best used when the sentence is too harsh or doesn’t fit the crime (which has been the justification for a lot of low level drug offenders, both Obama and Biden paid a lot of attention to these with their pardons… and I think that’s mostly a good thing).

    Those two got off particularly light since COVID rules already had them out of prison and instead on “house arrest”. Just another example of white collar criminals being treated differently and with kid gloves regardless of the harm they cause. Nothing new there.
     
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  9. OklahomaGator

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    I think the White House did a terrible job of screening these pardons/clemency petitions. The PA judge is a perfect example.

    I do support the President with his pardon power, but Biden didn't personally look at all of these, his staff failed him with this one.
     
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  10. G8trGr8t

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  12. OklahomaGator

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    Pardons and commutations are a power granted the President by the Constitution. Using that power does not make the President corrupt.
     
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  13. gator_jo

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    Definitely. That Conahan guy is reprehensible, and deserves more time in jail (not House arrest), rather than less.

    But then again, we just saw a corrupt judiciary conspire to protect a criminal from so much as seeing a fair trial for legitimate indictments. (See Clarence Thomas "creating precedent" for Aileen Cannon to cite, in her slow walking the case, and their obviously political quest to keep Trump from going to trial.)

    So these pardons may have been misguided. But we're in a brand new era now : the judiciary on all levels exists not to enforce the law, but to enforce political ends. Like it or not.

    And Trump supporters have the least right to complain.
     
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    no it doesn't
     
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    Merely using the power? Of course that alone doesn’t make a President corrupt. Pardoning/commuting drug convictions or death sentences is an act of mercy. Whether one agrees with the commutation, it’s in no way corrupt and the fully within the intent of the pardon power granted in the constitution.

    But some pardons are more corrupt than others. I think it’s a power that definitely needs some serious guardrails. Definitely don’t want Presidents “selling” pardons, or pardoning people who commit crimes on their behalf. Pardons granted under those circumstances are examples of corruption.
     
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    The insanity of Biden’s “lame-duck clemency free-for-all” is truly sad ….. and indicative of both his mental incompetence and …. the abhorrent nature of the leftie, democrat.
     
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  19. g8orbill

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    I highly doubt he looked at any of them- the guy is senile- imnsho, a staffer simply put the list in front of joey and he signed off on them
     
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    But Biden alone will have to live with the label of being the worst POTUS ever....and I couldn't believe anyone in two centuries could exceed Jimmy Carter.

    The Escobedo family—parents Jose Luis and Yessica Guerrero Escobedo, and their two young sons—were brutally murdered on Florida’s Turnpike. Prosecutors detailed how Sanchez and Troya stopped the family’s vehicle, executed the parents, and shot the children before abandoning their bodies. The crime shocked the nation and led to their death sentences more than a decade ago.

    St Lucie Sheriff Pearson attributed the decision to what he called “woke ideology” within the Biden administration. "Where is the justice for the Escobedo family?" Pearson asked in a public statement, emphasizing the gravity of their crimes. These two earned their right to die for the heinous crimes they committed,” the sheriff said, reflecting the sentiments of many local residents.

    Biden’s ‘Shocking’ Clemency Frees Florida Killers in Escobedo Family Slaying, Sparks Outrage Nationwide - EconoTimes
    Biden's Clemency Sparks Outrage Over 'Kids-for-Cash' Judge and $54 Million Fraudster - EconoTimes
     
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