Dem Senators introduce a bill to eliminate the Electoral College

What’s the logical reason why densely populated areas should have to live with the decision of scarcely populated areas? A vote is a vote….

 

Your vote is meaningless regardless because the parties decide who is running. But let's stay on topic.

How do you certify the election? You don't even know how many people voted, so how can you call the vote unless you let each state certify their vote count? Btw, that happens now with the EC. We know how many delegates their are and are proportional to the population in each state. Each time the votes are counted the number changes, someone would have to make a call at some point. That is automatically done now with the EC system. The system decides how it's done, not some official. Pretty much every election in a post popular vote would go before a judge and drag the country through turmoil. No thanks. Again, what does it solve? Just change state laws to be proportional if that's the concern.

 

why not be able to split votes in each state, whoever wins a congressional district in a state gets 1 vote

 

All elections are held and counted locally, usually at a county level. Even statewide elections for Governor or Senator are counted this way. Why would eliminating the EC change this in any way?

States already need accurate counts to ensure a fair election of EC delegates. That deadline was yesterday. It's only in very rare occasions when counted have been off by the deadline. See 1960 Hawaii.

Do away with the EC, and we can still require States to give accurate counts by mid-December. Difference would be each vote would equal 1 vote instead of a winner take all state approach we have now.

States already need to have accurate vote totals Senators in time for confirmation. I fail to see how we can't do it for POTUS.

 

And he still think the EC is the better way to go..

 

I have a feeling that if 2024 was the reverse of his 2016 victory with him winning the popular vote and losing the EC he would feel differently. On the other hand he would undoubtedly claim that his loses in the swing states that made the difference were the result of massive albeit nonexistent in reality voter fraud.

 

I don’t. Not interested in all those political ads if they had to campaign here

 

That is not the contract the original states agreed to when deciding to form a Union. Nor is it the contract each new state agreed to when it joined that Union. I’m not sure why any of the smaller states would willingly give up one of the forms of balance they have against the larger ones, and I don’t blame them.

 

No kidding. There are many things the original states consented to that have changed over time. Are you in favor of reversing those for the sake of staying "ahem" original?

 

No. For that, we have a Constitutional process for making changes to the contract, which goes back to the point I was making. Why should those less-populous states, whose support you would need to eliminate the EC, go along with this? Maybe under certain circumstances the House could generate the necessary 2/3rds to pass an amendment. But would the Senate, where Wyoming has an equal say with California? Even in that unrealistic circumstance, would 38 states ever ratify it? No.

So let’s go ahead and bring this measure up for a vote now. No more whining. No more arguing. Let’s vote and have the chips fall.

 

Agree. I don't see how a vote in Wyoming being worth 3 and half California votes is fair.

Sign me up for ranked choice, with 1 vote equaling 1 vote, no matter what state you live in.

 

Population of Wyoming is about 585,000. Total US population is 335 million. That's about .17% of the population. They also have 3 electoral college votes out 585, or .5%. In contrast, CA has about 39 million, or 11.6% of the population. Their 54 EV votes represent only 9.2% of the total.

Of course, none of this really matters. Neither CA or WY are swing states. But it still begs the question, why should a WY vote be worth about 3X per person, and the CA vote not even a full vote? Go to a straight popular vote and the person's vote in WY would be equal to those in CA.

Yes, smaller states would get less attention; but they already do under current conditions. Especially a state like WY, where the chances of a D winning is 0. But going to popular vote, then candidates will have to pay attention to more than just the swing states, and all votes would be equal.

 

I see the left is still butthurt about November...

Losers gonna lose...

 

Yield to your expertise.

Elimininating the EC has nothing to do with November, Trump would have won either way. Try to keep up.

 

It seems only 1 side is complaining about the EC. The left. Wonder why...

And LOL, of course eliminating the EC has everything to do with trump winning. The left wouldn't be complaining about removing the EC if Harris had won in Nov. If you think otherwise then that's a you problem. The EC has about a zero chance of getting removed, so it's akin to trying to win an argument against my wife. Good luck...

 

What you describe as a form of balance gives the smaller states disproportionate influence in relation to their size. The reason that each state has two senators and the reason for the allocation of electors is that a buy in from every state was necessary for ratification of the Constitution. It's also the reason that slaves were counted as 3/5 of a person for the purpose of allocating House seats a compromise necessary for the buy-in of states with significant populations of enslaved individuals who were considered chattel and had absolutely no rights.

 

Have you tried "Nice try. Try Again. Try harder next time. Nice try, sport."?

 

I usually reserve for jackwagons who like to talk down to people.

 

I’m not making an originalist argument (I made a realist one), so your allusions to slavery aren’t relevant. Since you bring it up, though, the 13th Amendment was passed and ratified through the means laid out in the Constitution. You’ll have to do the same thing if you want to change the method by which we elect the President. And that brings me once more to the point I was making, not the one you preferred to address: the less-populous states (none of which I live in) are not going to vote away their advantage, and no amount of whining or arguing is going to change that. So again I say, bring it to the floor of both Houses, watch how short it falls of passing, and let’s move on.