SEC & Big Whatever Discussing Potential Revenue Sharing With Players

One is not like the other... fix the portal and the NIL is totally manageable. The same cannot be said the other way around. Besides that, changing everyone's rosters sometimes up to 50% every single year is not sustainable.

And as long as we do NOT lat that NCAA communist president ruin college football any further then the NIL can be worked out and MUST never be payments from the universities, or it IS EMPLOYMENT TO SAID UNIVERSITIES... YOU CANNOT HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER. If you pay them, they are essentially your employees.

We must preserve the amateurism of college football... NO Pat-for-play.

 

I hear you Rick, but it's already pay for play. NIL contracts aren't really for these guys' Name, Image, and Likeness. Nobody knows who 95% of these players are...even rabid fans. Like it or not, (I don't for the record) the players are getting paid to play a game and are no longer amateurs. I don't know the mechanism, but Universities will be directly paying Athletes revenue sharing in 2025. Is that Employment? I'll let people smarter than me figure that out, but we can howl at the moon all we want and it won't change a thing. The best thing that the average fan can do is vote with their pocketbook and hope for the best.

 

We'll see if someone in authority can keep this train from falling off a cliff of stupidity.

I do NOT remember the SCOTUS abolishing student athletes and amateurism. And the Chevron deference has been repealed, so... screw the NLRB.

 

You are right, they didn't and they didn't neuter the NCAA from making rules. The NCAA has effectively neutered itself by choosing not to fight injunctions and settling cases. The NCAA as it exists, is spine-less. There is no one in charge and congress doesn't look like they want to wade into this mess. Unfortunately that leaves it a big free-for-all in which the courts and plaintiffs attorneys will establish the "rules." We all know what plaintiff's attorneys rules are as well: Get Paid!

I'm sorry I don't have a rosier outlook on College athletics, but I'm pretty certain the amateur sports that we knew, and grew up loving is as gone as the Dodo bird.

 

It's one man... the president of the NCAA himself that's behind this clown show. He is incompetent. Don't believe me, I recently saw Josh Hawley grill Charlie Baker (president of the NCAA) about another matter facing the NCAA that Mr. Baker got wrong. Baker is an obstinate, obtuse, flake of a man.

This is why the NCAA should NEVER have someone from Masseshusetts as the leader of amateur college sports a.k.a., The NCAA.

 

Agreed with all you posted, but the NCAA is not just one man. It's made up of all member institutions, who collectively have no cojones. They put Baker in charge and could just as easily remove him if they wanted to. Congress is not going to do anything to help the NCAA with this guy in charge and clinging to the positions that they have taken. Why would they? The NCAA collectively made their own bed out of what mostly amounted to greed. Now they are paying the price.*

*Along with the schools who make up the NCAA.

 

Some time in mid 2025 when schools start making direct payments to college athletes, will they then be issued a 1099 or a W-2?

 

Inquiring minds want to know!

 

There are many lawsuits and they are NOT limited to NIL. Additional claims involve price fixing, failure to share tv revenue, and conspiracy to boycott. And no settle has been approved. In May the ncaa agreed to pay $2.8B but the judge rejected that agreement. The most recent filing is $2.6B for past damages but includes some interesting language re: ncaa power to limit nil payments from third parties. NCAA Proposed Settlement Receives Preliminary Approval | Insights | Ropes & Gray LLP

College football is unquestionably a for profit business. Brett Kavanaugh: "Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate.”

I agree that colleges should not be running for profit businesses, but that ship sailed long ago with billion dollar tv contracts, coaches making tens of millions, etc.

I also agree that this money should be taxed. Also harvards $40B endowment should be taxed. But I don’t believe government should be giving out exemptions for any reason (charity, home interest, etc).

As for the haves vs have nots, agree that there may be fewer schools that compete at the highest level for a D1 championship. But if colleges are reall for education, not sports, does that matter? There will be plenty of levels of sports students can play while focusing on studies. The “professional “ college athletes will continue to focus on sports. Like before but now in the open.

 

They Ruled that they cannot be treated as amateurs and subjected to restraints of trade. From kavanaugh’s concurrence:
"Price-fixing labor is price-fixing labor. And price-fixing labor is ordinarily a textbook antitrust problem because it extinguishes the free market in which individuals can otherwise obtain fair compensation for their work."

The current NCAA model is "suppressing the pay of student athletes who collectively generate billions of dollars in revenues for colleges every year," Kavanaugh wrote.

"Those enormous sums of money flow to seemingly everyone except the student athletes. College presidents, athletic directors, coaches, conference commissioners, and NCAA executives take in six- and seven-figure salaries. Colleges build lavish new facilities. But the student athletes who generate the revenues, many of whom are African American and from lower-income backgrounds, end up with little or nothing."

Kavanaugh also offered a possible road map for settling the "difficult questions" that may arise from the court's ruling, including how any compensation for student-athletes would comply with Title IX and whether paying athletes would entail the creation of "something like a salary cap in some sports in order to preserve competitive balance."

Instead of relying on litigation, Kavanaugh offered, schools and student-athletes "could potentially engage in collective bargaining (or seek some other negotiated agreement) to provide student athletes a fairer share of the revenues that they generate for their colleges, akin to how professional football and basketball players have negotiated for a share of league revenues.

You (or I) can not like it, but that’s what is coming

 

They ruled that these kids can make money... On Name, Image and Likeness. They never said they can play college football as professional employees. Show me where they abolished the college STUDENT ATHLETE.

The Whole Universe would have heard it if the SCOTUS said that callege student athletes can be prefessional football players, paid by the uniotersities directly, while going to school on campus.

 

Read the Supreme Court opinion, or at least kavanaugh’s quote: "suppressing the pay of student athletes who collectively generate billions of dollars in revenues for colleges every year.” This is NOT limited to nil as he talks about all The money generated for colleges, coaches, and conferences by the athletes. That has nothing to do with NIL. He LITERALLY calls them employees: "Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate.” These lawsuits go far beyond NIL. Read them.

I get that you want them to be amateurs. They ain’t in practice or legally.

 

Boosters can just donate it straight to the school for the nil instead of having to donate it to football. Nil int deductible. It doesn't change what's going on it just changes peoples taxes

 

We'll see. He ruled that way... without any law to define? He's NOT there to make law... That sounds more like legislating from the bench to me.

I'll read exactly what he said... not just some interpretation of it like before.

 

They can be anateurs if tgey chise not to take the money but goid luck with tgat . Schools cant stip kids from getting checks under any circumstances.

 

I think the judge was either misquoted or thinks he can legislate from the bench.

 

The judge is interpreting already existing laws that we all live by. These aren't exclusively football rules.

 

College football has been operating like that for over 150 years... they have precedence... amateurism.

 

It was ruled they have been operating illegally all along.

 

Legislating from the bench. They are there to INTERPRET LAWS... not make them up as they see fit. You sure you're not talking about what the NLRB said?