joey cancels another $4.28B in student loan debt

I dont understand your position on healthcare (middlemen make things more expensive, they gotta go) vs education (you gotta pay back every dime to the middlemen), but then again you never made much sense.

 

College should be free. Or we can start charging for k-12. Y'all can choose

 

This! Well said. If they were duped by a predatory lender and can prove that then I am okay with discussing a way to potentially step in assuming the predatory lender is part of the equation and the situation (but you just have to be smart enough/especially when paying for an education). But if they borrowed money to get an education and cannot pay for on their own accord. That is one them. They need to pay back what they borrowed at the agreed upon interest rate.

 

We pay more than we ever have for K-12 thanks to the DOE...

Most paid for by state dollars. But the federal side is way too involved which increases the cost even more...

 

Why?

 

Completely different issues and scenarios.

 

Why is k-12 free? Why stop àt grade 12 if our goal is to have an educated population

 

I don't pay anything for k-12 outside of taxes.

 

They are both things that are market based, involve near-mandatory middleman financing unless you are wealthy, saddle people with long-term debt and involve varying degrees of government subsidies

 

Yeah...That is basically the entire population. We spend more on Education than we ever have. By a crazy amount. Where wgb has a point is the administrators having to get theirs...increasing the cost to all of us.

 

Reasonable questions. I'm not an ed historian, but my take: College was historically a purely intellectual pursuit and not a matter of job preparation. During the early 20th C, only a small % of U.S. citizens graduated from HS. The seeds for compulsory education were planted in the 1920s. This might not fully answer your Qs, but I'm sharing just as a matter of perspective.

On a practical note, here's one reason college shouldn't be free: Many professorships require a doctorate to even get an interview. The vast majority of k12 teachers need a bachelor's degree - 4yrs. Only four states require a Master's. I couldn't even get an interview for my higher ed gig w/o a doctorate - 10yrs. That's an additional six years of studying and time during which I was NOT saving for retirement. It's a much greater investment in one's personal education to just be eligible for the gig.

 

Same reason you shouldnt get a bill from the electric company for the street lights where you live. Or pay for garbage or mail pickup.

 

Hey look, we agree on something. Its a Christmas miracle!

 

Cool. Spending money on education is a good thing. We should spend more on education and less on military

 

Look my man. I throw you a bone by saying college should be free and you turn around and say garbage pickup should be free too? How dare

 

Wait, the case for not making college free is that you had to pay a lot of money and spend time you could be earning money to get an advanced education?

 

I think youre misunderstanding my stance. Just because college should be free doesn't mean that educators should get hit in the paycheck.

I feel like most kids who want to go to college go. They take out loans, work, get scholarships. If college was free I don't think we'd see some vast increase in college attendance. If you value your k-12 education and take it seriously you probably don't stop after grade 12. Maybe a 5% increase in enrollment? Thoughts?

 

Look, under socialism you could have a trash monopoly, no competition. You can earn fun titles like "Hero of Socialist Labor" and get a cool medal.

 

Waste Management already does this.