UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot - 12/9 UPDATE: CAUGHT

I love the righties' never ending suggestions the left are ignorant. That never gets old or remotely accurate. You are attempting to insult people largely both brighter and better educated than you.

 

I’m really starting to worry that it won’t be long until we see copycat killers.

 

Funny that people are just now finding out corporations have your personal information and arent zealous about guarding your privacy

 

scumbag has been indicted for 1st Degree Murder

Luigi Mangione indicted on first-degree murder charge in UnitedHealthcare killing

 

First degree is a stretch under New York law, this is more correctly an M2.

 

Why is that?

 

Whenever you run across one of these situations, the first thing you need to do is put aside your preconceived notions as to what constitutes a particular crime, and look to the state's actual statutory scheme.

Most people would see an obviously intentional killing and very clear evidence of premeditation and think, "that's a classic first degree murder." In most states, including Florida, you'd likely be correct.
New York, however, has opted to define first degree murder differently and sets out several factors that may justify that charge. Premeditation is NOT one of them. Here's their statute, go through the list:

NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov

To indict him for first, the Grand Jury had to make a finding this killing was done "in furtherance of an act of terrorism" as defined by NY law. See a(xii) of the linked statute.

Here's the link to NY's definition of terrorism:

NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov

As someone who has prosecuted and defended a couple of dozen murder cases, I think this is a reach. Oddly, the penalty in NY for first and second degree murder is the same.

 

Dude looks bat shat crazy

 

Charged with First Degree murder as an act of terrorism. Who felt terrorized by this? Other CEOs? They're reaching for a 1st degree charge because he was a rich CEO. What a crock of shit.

 

Are you indicating Alvin Bragg would trump up charges against someone?

To be blunt, I think your posts have proven the state has some standing to level such a charge, in this case. Effectively, you want New York to take a soft stance on a crime that was clearly carried out to send a message and cause terror within other people. And why should that terror be limited to CEOs? What if the next killer uses a homemade IED and kills a CEO with a bunch of other people? Does Manhattan want this to become a trend? Well, no.

I tend to lean towards this being an act of terror, given that Mangione could have tracked the CEO down anywhere, but he chose to wait to do it in broad daylight in Manhattan (aka financial capital of the world). They probably understand a thing or two about terror in NYC. I mean, he built a homemade gun to do this. This wasn't your run of the mill hit.

 

Using your logic I can make any crime an act of terror. He had a grudge against healthcare companies and choose one to go after. It’s a targeting killing, sure. An act of terror is a massive stretch.

 

Didn’t he have some short manifesto about insurance companies? It’s a stretch as terrorism, but not that much of a stretch imo. Only really a question because NY doesn’t automatically make pre-meditation 1st degree.

As was discussed earlier there isn’t much practical difference in NY if it’s 1st degree or 2nd degree anyway.

 

A manifesto makes it terrorism? Nah, not buying it and if I were on the jury there’s no way he’s getting convicted of that. Second degree murder without the act of terrorism is the correct charge.

There is a difference between the two. 2nd degree with terrorism and 1st degree convictions means life in prison w/o parole, whereas 2nd degree is 25 years to life.

 

He deserves life

 

I think finding this to be an act of terrorism is a stretch based on NY's definition of "act of terrorism". Remember in the video a woman walked by as this was occurring and the shooter made no attempt to harm her, an actual eyewitness.

NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov

 

It’s very interesting they are intent on making this a political act the way they’ve charged him.

 

Didn't I just say yesterday that "oligarchies are gonna oligarch?"

 

Bingo. It’s the same reason the woman in FLA was arrested with an absolutely asinine bail. They’re scared and trying to put the plebs back in their place.

It’s the worst thing they could have done, IMO, and serves to only remind people how little they think of them.

 

I'm not expert in this area, but plenty of people on this board are much more versed. I assume they run the risk of overcharging him and he could walk on this? Imagine the public discourse if that happens.