FSU Suing ACC over withdrawal Fee

That was only my part 1 of the 12 steps...

 

Next up for FSU..."we actually never got upset at all over getting a flag planted in the middle of our field...we have no idea why you would suggest such things"

 

No, no no…
There is no forced coercion here – this is pure altruism on his part!
No doubt inspired by his love of all things semi!!!
(and his utmost respect for the - ummm- nole powers-that-be)

 

Pardon my presumption. I thought he was just being a good Nolie

 

What's different now is that the reduction in pay to the coaches is going into a fund to pay players.

 

Right! It's practically a direct admission that paying coaches is less important than paying players now, especially if you're not one of the very few elite coaches out there.

The same way an underperforming star NBA or NFL player kills a team by eating up their cap space, same will be true for coaches like Norvell.

 

I heard that part of Bellicheck's requirement was that he be alotted 20 million for players. Don't know if that was each year or what but I guess we are just forgetting about the whole "NIL" part and the schools not being involved.

 

I think everyone already forgot about that months ago... It is what it is now... like it or not.

 

I don't necessarily mind players getting paid, they should, but there has to be some kind of guardrails put up so kids can't just leave on a whim. The idea that this was supposed to create more parity seems like it could be doing the opposite with some teams putting in more cash than others. Maybe some kind of limit on what the total amount that schools can spend. Blow it all on a top notch QB and get lesser defensive talent or whatever.

 

Now that this latest court decision came down, and it would seem universities are directly involved in paying players, they have to go to a pro model. Schools and boosters can't be subjected to relentless shakedowns by players who are under no real contractual obligation to do anything. They can bounce whenever they want to.

The NBA and MLB can ship players out on trades basically at their discretion. Players have to deal with it within the confines of their contracts.

If players want to get paid as pros, they need to be treated like pros, with all that entails. Having sat on its hands for years now on NIL issues, etc., maybe it's time the NCAA got involved to create rules that comply with the court decisions. I'm guessing they won't, and college football will become a complete mess.

 

I agree, but I'm sure you've noticed that its already a complete mess and if the NCAA gets involved it will screw it up worse (if that is even possible).

 

Technically, the NCAA is involved at the FCS level to determine a champ but the rest of us are governed by the playoff committee. The NCAA does rule March Madness though.
All that to say it seems like with the way things are going, the NCAA is becoming less and less important and it could be dissolved and replaced or transformed into a formal league governing body like NFL or NBA and works between the Owners (schools) and the players. Establishing rules etc.

 

Then who would YOU suggest get involved? Is there some other organization out there to come up with rules? I'm unaware of who that is.

I just know that this current model will not work.

 

It's per player

 

Its over.....there is no organization that will put the toothpaste back in the tube. Now that the courts have become involved, the sport is on a fast track to being a professional league complete with collective bargaining and players organizations, unlimited eligibility, etc., etc. Its going to take a few years, but that is where it will end up. These revenue sharing concepts will inevitably create players organizations so that they have a voice in how its distributed. The NCAA and their members (along with 1 Supreme Ct ruling) have opened up Pandora's box and there will be no after the fact closing of that lid.

 

It was always going to be this way due the fact these are personal services contracts. . . . which could be anything. For instance. Glad-handing at a golf tournament. What's that worth? It's worth as much as I say it's worth. So, let's say I'm the doner and I'd rather just give a bulk sum to the University or Collective and have them supply glad-handers for my events. . . Again, you could see where this was going to go before it was even implemented across the sport.

This in contrast to a pro athlete, who signs a contract to play that specific sport for a specific team, typically for more than one year, and who also signs personal services contracts to supplement that income. In the case of NIL, the PSC IS the only source of income.

 

I've said this before, and you guys can rip me all you want, but the comp for what you're talking about is European soccer. Contracts are between team and player. When said player "transfers" to another club, a Transfer Fee must be agreed upon and, if accepted, the player then negotiates a new deal with his new club. Also, if contracts run out, players can leave on "a free" (i.e. with no transfer fee).

Not sure about transfer fees (although given the growing budgets it kind of makes sense) but the rest is pretty much what we're talking about. Sign a two-year deal out of HS to play for UF. If you want to jump early, someone needs to compensate UF. If UF wants you beyond 2 years, they'll have to renegotiate the current deal. If both sides agree to part ways after 2 years, both sides part ways.

There's nothing in American sports that compares with College Football now and this is about the closest existing model that seems applicable. Everything outside of transfer fees (or something akin to them) could be applied immediately. Signing day becomes just that, CONTRACT signing day. I say start with 2 year deals.

 

The title of this thread, "FSU Suing ACC over withdrawal Fee", has me thinking that this thread is about a John suing a Hooker.
The real question is who is the John and who is the Hooker.
Then again, both the ACC and FSU are interchangeable here.

 

I think we are saying the same thing. There will have to be some organization that takes charge of this and establishes rules and contractual requirements.

 

Now thats good stuff right there...just dont mention Candy Fisher.