Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!
  1. Hi there... Can you please quickly check to make sure your email address is up to date here? Just in case we need to reach out to you or you lose your password. Muchero thanks!

Reasons for Optimism in 2025?

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by doctorg8r, Dec 6, 2024.

  1. antny1

    antny1 GC Hall of Fame

    5,445
    2,842
    2,698
    Dec 3, 2019
    People feared the schedule this year and hung on to it as a crutch during the offseason. My take was always that if the Gators were truly improved then 10 and 2 should be a reasonable expectation. Had we started the year playing the way we finished then that would have very likely happened. We were abysmal to start the year. There was no reason Miami should have blown us off our own field. They needed refs to save them from a 4 loss season against that weak schedule.

    We have a couple holes to plug but while some of our opponents may get better others will suffer from attrition at key positions. Either the team figured out how to play defense and Lagway's leadership continues to infect the team or we regress again....

    Playoffs were a possibility this year had we not lost mertz and lagway at times this year. Year 4 not too many if ANY excuses to continue to claim the schedule is insurmountable, not that that is what you wrote.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  2. okeechobee

    okeechobee GC Hall of Fame

    10,832
    1,419
    678
    Sep 11, 2022
    I wholeheartedly agree with the bolded portion above, but disagree with most of the rest. First, before I dive in, you can go back and look. I was demanding DJ Lagway to start from day 1 this season and thought he never should have taken a backseat to Mertz. Not only would it have helped us this season, but it would have given DJ that much more experience heading into next season where he can really start to shine. Lagway should have started the Miami game and if he began to struggle, he could have easily been pulled for Mertz. So, we didn't give ourselves a chance to beat Miami or TAMU, because the wrong call was made at QB.

    Having said that, I don't think we played well enough under Lagway's leadership to go 10-2. To go 10-2 with our schedule would have been an incredible feat for a true freshman QB in this league. I think we would have played TAMU much closer, but probably not win. I think we would have still lost to Miami considering it would have been Lagway's first game as the starter and well, Miami is a pretty good team despite all the hate here. I do think we beat Tennessee if Lagway played that whole game. That game was obviously very winnable. The team simply began playing better in almost all facets of the game once DJ was named the starter (which of course, was not Napier's choice).

    I do not think we beat Texas, of course and despite what many people here tend to assume, I do not think we would have automatically beaten Georgia if Lagway had stayed healthy. Georgia has a way of making adjustments and balling out late in games. I'll also point out that Lagway was a mere 2 for 6 passing when he left the game. He completed the one pass for 43 yards and the other for 4 yards. It's not like he was picking UGA's secondary apart. UGA is the same team that beat Kentucky 13-12, so I don't buy that we would have automatically beaten UGA. They love making games interesting. Most likely, we would have lost.

    All things considered, with the way we played the last half of the season, if we had started Lagway from Day 1, I think we would have gone 8-4. Which isn't that bad at all with a true freshman QB. To go 10-2, we would have needed to be firing on all cylinders all season long. FWIW, if you look at Lagway's stats, he obviously still has a lot of room to grow. To be 10-2 in this league you need a QB who can pick apart defenses short and long range with one hand tied behind his back. Whether it's the lack of coordination on offense or DJ's inexperience (or both), it wasn't good enough to go 10-2.

    So, the real test will be 2025. If the offense continues pedestrian type production, we'll know the issue isn't Lagway. Especially if he's getting sufficient protection. Next season needs to be a 9-3 or better season. That assumes no major injuries to DJ Lagway. If not at least 9-3, it's a bust of a season and we are wasting Lagway's talent. We'll see what happens.
     
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. cheatng8tr

    cheatng8tr Junior

    196
    165
    193
    Dec 10, 2021
    I just hope the starters who still have eligibility stay instead of leaving for the NFL or the portal. It would be nice to have the majority of our positions settled before the season starts.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. drcgator

    drcgator Junior

    137
    91
    1,813
    Nov 19, 2017
    Good lord. The number of you guys who go straight to the negative is sad. Even a bunch of the "optimistic" posts were backhanded hits at Napier. There are so many reasons for optimism.

    Obviously, DJ returning healthy. He will work on his game and be better. The team believes it can win any game when he steps on the field.

    The team proved to itself that it can defeat playoff-level competition.

    That leads to confidence. I bet almost every guy in that locker room can't wait to get started training for next year. They are hungry and have the alphas to drive the team to the next level.

    Which leads to: S and C. This is the critical year 2 of our new strength and conditioning program. The changes made there start paying dividends in year 2.

    The defense finally gets it. More aggressive. Tougher. Graham, Robinson, James, Howard will form an elite LB corps. Chatman and Harris are doing wonders with their units.

    The offensive line will be a strength.

    The RB unit is stacked.

    Gonzales is an elite developer of WRs and we will get 2 experienced guys in the portal for him to use.

    I'm not going to get into if this or if that. Every team has that. I for one am looking forward to next year. Sorry for the length of the post. I usually just lurk but had to throw my .02 in here because I came to this thread thinking it would be way more positive but yeah have lurked here long enough to know better.
     
    • Like x 2
    • Agree x 2
    • Winner x 2
    • Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Wish I would have said that x 1
  5. Tito22

    Tito22 GC Hall of Fame

    4,267
    459
    378
    May 13, 2007
    The defense is the biggest reason for optimism in 2025. I was pretty disappointed with the coverage breakdowns against Miami and then to do it again against Texas A&M was pitiful. Pretty clear that guys started to understand their assignments as the season went on (my guess is Roberts took completely over at DC).

    Having the same DC next year is going to pay dividends to go along with having a QB that looks like a future NFL Draft pick.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Winner Winner x 1
  6. thegatorvault

    thegatorvault All American

    327
    212
    1,873
    Jan 11, 2015
    One reason alone for optimism is that the kids now believe they can beat anybody, which seemed to be lacking from previous years. That is huge and key is that many of our contributors are really young. It’s been a youth movement making plays on the field and shifting the team culture.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Like Like x 1
  7. gatorwalrus

    gatorwalrus GC Hall of Fame

    3,503
    908
    1,873
    Sep 24, 2022
    Maybe Billy learned to play the best players. If he finally figured out what everyone else has know for decades we have a good chance to be a solid team. I think a lot could hinge on Jackson and Banks NFL decisions. Real hard to replace interior DL.

    Even if he got an "OC" it would still be Billy Ball. DJ's ability to hit verticle passes in tight windows really covers up the problems with the passing scheme. At this point I just hope he doesn't get a NorveL^10 extension.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  8. doctorg8r

    doctorg8r GC Hall of Fame

    1,482
    1,057
    1,803
    Dec 11, 2018
    I don't know who is or will be hireable for OC. I am not a BN hater, and I want to see him succeed. It is in his best interest (and the teams), though, to hand over that responsibility.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  9. doctorg8r

    doctorg8r GC Hall of Fame

    1,482
    1,057
    1,803
    Dec 11, 2018
    Spot on!!!
     
  10. doctorg8r

    doctorg8r GC Hall of Fame

    1,482
    1,057
    1,803
    Dec 11, 2018
    This is not a hire an OC thread. However, the offense has been too predictable! With that said, BN should be able to do more with DJ at the helm. And I think part of the problem has been the OL. Will Miles has an interesting perspective (see article below) about recruiting and playing at elite status. We are not there, yet!
    Early signing day 2025 - Read & Reaction
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  11. doctorg8r

    doctorg8r GC Hall of Fame

    1,482
    1,057
    1,803
    Dec 11, 2018
    The Gators beat themselves, and, at times, coaching decisions did, too! The Tennessee game is an example. I will be ecstatic if we get to 9-3. BN has to pull off magic in the TP to do better. And the OL and defense has to be significantly better! We are not elite, currently. We, simply, need to kill it in the portal!!! Can we?
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  12. fox

    fox GC Hall of Fame

    18,183
    28,929
    3,328
    Apr 3, 2007
    Florida Beachland
    I smelled your desperation before I turned on my phone.

    Enjoy the journey.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  13. Crikey

    Crikey GC Hall of Fame

    1,883
    40
    138
    Feb 25, 2011
    Our coach is what his record says he is. Hopefully, it all comes together next year. 4 years is enough time for a top-tier coach to produce a team that can go to Atlanta.

    I like the guy and wish him success for all our sakes.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  14. gatorrob87

    gatorrob87 GC Legend

    684
    247
    173
    Oct 28, 2023
    Citra, Florida
    Well articulated points. You should post more often.
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
  15. OKgator

    OKgator Premium Member

    115
    38
    1,743
    Jun 15, 2014
    X 100
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  16. pigpen

    pigpen GC Legend

    547
    295
    213
    Aug 30, 2023
    Our OL has played well this year
     
  17. gatorlips

    gatorlips Sophomore

    51
    18
    1,693
    Feb 7, 2021
    This year was year two with players he recruited. Sophomores and freshmen. He was hired a couple of weeks before national signing day and that class was the result of Mullens mighty efforts. Know how many snaps(jrs. and srs.) on the OL and DL that that class got this year. 0
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  18. gators1994

    gators1994 GC Legend

    523
    175
    223
    Sep 10, 2024
    You have some solid points. However, assuming we will get two effective wide receivers as good as dike and badger is a big assumption. We have to hope vernell brown is an instant success or we get two more great portal receivers. There a still a lot of questions marks around Eugene. Also, we must replace Marshall and bridges, who was very effective at the end of the season, and we are very thin at defensive tackle.

    We are trending in a positive direction but we are a long way from being stacked with talent in the way Georgia, Texas and Alabama are currently. We are still missing when trying to recruit the top talent in the state. Some view this as negativity but to me, it’s being realistic about where we are.
     
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2024
    • Agree Agree x 1
  19. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,436
    1,208
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    I fully expect us to be improved over six wins next year. On the other hand, I’m concerned that Georgia played down to us.
     
  20. fox

    fox GC Hall of Fame

    18,183
    28,929
    3,328
    Apr 3, 2007
    Florida Beachland
    We'll be good at WR with development from Wilson, Abrams, Hawkins, Mizell, Brown, Burke and Jackson. A few promising Tight ends as well will help.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1