Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!
  1. Gator Country Black Friday special!

    Now's a great time to join or renew and get $20 off your annual VIP subscription! LIMITED QUANTITIES -- for details click here.

Pubs looking to trim Medicaid, Food Stamps, etc. to fund Trump Tax Cuts.

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorJMDZ, Nov 21, 2024 at 7:03 AM.

  1. WarDamnGator

    WarDamnGator GC Hall of Fame

    10,811
    1,354
    1,718
    Apr 8, 2007
    This is how it happens every time ... 2024 is no different. That's the only reason they care about cutting the budget, whatever co-president Elon cuts from the budget will be used to justify offsetting tax cuts for him and his buddies, and most Americans will be worse off with no benefit to the deficit. There isn't a person in the America who really believes the debt will be lowered by Trump and the republicans ...

    Trump tax cuts: Top 5% of taxpayers would get nearly half the benefit if extended | CNN Politics
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  2. gatorpa

    gatorpa GC Hall of Fame

    11,681
    1,121
    698
    Sep 5, 2010
    East Coast of FL
    Do you have an actual link to prove that?
    It’s actually not. It’s about in the midpoint of the historical average.
    Federal Receipts as Percent of Gross Domestic Product


    upload_2024-11-21_20-2-17.png
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. gatorpa

    gatorpa GC Hall of Fame

    11,681
    1,121
    698
    Sep 5, 2010
    East Coast of FL
    Stands to reason, if I’m paying a lot more in taxes a cut for me is going to be a bigger cut than for someone who isn’t paying anything or much at all…
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  4. gatordavisl

    gatordavisl VIP Member

    32,070
    54,980
    3,753
    Apr 8, 2007
    northern MN
    "relative"
     
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 1
  5. dangolegators

    dangolegators GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 26, 2007
    The revenues to GDP chart just confirms what I said. It's lower now than for most of the past 60 years. It's only been lower about 8 of the last 60 years.
     
  6. gatorpa

    gatorpa GC Hall of Fame

    11,681
    1,121
    698
    Sep 5, 2010
    East Coast of FL
    If go back historically it’s been this low many, many times. This isn’t some big aberration.

    Spending is still well above historical averages.

    We have a spending problem.

    From AI
    “According to available data, the average federal tax receipts over the last 60 years, expressed as a percentage of GDP, is around 17%. This means that on average, the federal government collects about 17% of the total economic output as tax revenue.”
     
  7. gatorpa

    gatorpa GC Hall of Fame

    11,681
    1,121
    698
    Sep 5, 2010
    East Coast of FL
    Sure, I guess if someone only pays a few thousand in Fed income taxes then they aren’t getting the same break as if I pay 100k a year and now only pay 90k….
     
  8. Trickster

    Trickster VIP Member

    9,963
    2,433
    3,233
    Sep 20, 2014
    One might !look at it that way if one were so inclined.:rolleyes:
     
  9. Trickster

    Trickster VIP Member

    9,963
    2,433
    3,233
    Sep 20, 2014
    Some democrats also fall into that category. I've met a number of wealthy and extremely condescending and snobbish democrats in the DC suburbs. I've often thought being a Democrat makes them feel better about themselves.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  10. gatorpa

    gatorpa GC Hall of Fame

    11,681
    1,121
    698
    Sep 5, 2010
    East Coast of FL
    They can act like the “care” more.
     
  11. gator_jo

    gator_jo GC Hall of Fame

    1,515
    210
    183
    Aug 9, 2024
    ^ This may or may not be true, I'm not sure.

    But we can ALL be sure that they can act like they didn't help elect a felon, who is also an admitted and adjudicated sexual assaulter. And the first and only POTUS in US history who tried to not peacefully transfer power, while enacting a criminal conspiracy to overturn an election.

    I mean - holy shit - look at the twice-impeached absolute criminal that the Republicans just elected.

    So in a relative sense, they've got a lot they can feel quite comparatively good about. Much better, in fact, than anyone who would help put a criminal into office.
     
  12. gatorpa

    gatorpa GC Hall of Fame

    11,681
    1,121
    698
    Sep 5, 2010
    East Coast of FL
    Rinse repeat, rinse repeat.

    You almost had a new thought there for half a second, then the tape recorder came on.
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Winner Winner x 1
  13. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

    11,697
    2,574
    3,303
    Apr 3, 2007
    Charlotte
    That includes entitlements and defense. Some of you are having a hard time separating what it takes to run the government from entitlements and defense. The pure running of the government ins’t much of the growth. It’s entitlements and healthcare costs mainly.
     
  14. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

    11,697
    2,574
    3,303
    Apr 3, 2007
    Charlotte
    I’m very excited. Give me my money. I appreciate the assist from the working class.
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  15. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator Premium Member VIP Member

    124,951
    56,678
    114,663
    Apr 3, 2007
    Clermont, Fl
    Hell if we just moved away from baseline budgeting we could trim a lot of fat
     
  16. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

    11,697
    2,574
    3,303
    Apr 3, 2007
    Charlotte
    Here’s the $6T budget with me rounding off how we spend it.

    $600B running this place
    $900B defending this place
    $750B financing this place’s debt
    $4,000B on entitlements, yea $4T: Healthcare, Social security, pensions, poverty, unemployment

    As you can see messing around with the $600B we budget to run the government is nearly meaningless.
     
  17. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator Premium Member VIP Member

    124,951
    56,678
    114,663
    Apr 3, 2007
    Clermont, Fl
    I do not consider Social Security and Medicare an entitlement as we pay into both of them in every paycheck, plus Part B Medicare is taken out of my SS check every month. I went on SS.gov and got the amount I have paid in to SS since the my initial year of working on a W2. If I took just a modest return of 5% on that money in a private investment, I would have almost 2.5 times more money in my SS account.
     
  18. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator Premium Member VIP Member

    124,951
    56,678
    114,663
    Apr 3, 2007
    Clermont, Fl

    again if we just went to a zero based budget process instead of baseline budgeting process, the amount of fat that could be trimmed is HUGE
     
  19. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

    11,697
    2,574
    3,303
    Apr 3, 2007
    Charlotte
    That ignores the fact that you didn’t pay for your $8T in defense spending. You don’t get to put away money and borrow 10Xs that amount and think you actually saved something. I thought you were a fiscal conservative? Only when cconvenient?
     
  20. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator Premium Member VIP Member

    124,951
    56,678
    114,663
    Apr 3, 2007
    Clermont, Fl
    I have no idea what you are trying to say
     
    • Funny Funny x 1