War in Ukraine

Yeah, that one.

The same guy who went into Lebanon in the first place. The same guy who crippled the USSR/Russia/POS like Putin in Afghanistan. The same guy who devoted the United States of America to halting the expansion of the USSR/Russia/POS of like Putin. The same guy who would have gone bazerk if the USSR/Russia/POS like Puttin invaded a free European democratic country. The same guy who just hated POS like Puttin.

If you’re actually trying to insulate that Reagan wouldn’t be balls to wall supporting Ukraine you're clueless.

 

Nobody is stopping you from going over and tell Ukraine to surrender to putin. Why aren't you there in the trenches telling Ukrainians to surrender?

 

There are plenty of Ukrainians in those trenches who already want to go home but they’re being forced by their government to stay and fight. They don’t need me there to tell them what they already know.

 

Yeah, we wouldn't want to expend actual American bodies when we can just use Ukrainian bodies, right? Just send them the weapons and let them worry about the death part.

 

I have a feeling the average Ukranian is really going to hate the US for years to come once it sinks in how much they were lied to by Zelensky etc about their chances in this war and seeing all the death and destruction it has caused. The western part will feel they lost all that fighting because they were goaded into a war they couldn't win over that area where the people are more pro-Russian than Ukraine anyway because the defense contractors etc wanted to line their pockets as usual. Seeing the videos of the govt having to basically kidnap recruits now they are so low on soldiers my guess is Zelensky will be ran out of there eventually by his own people after this war is mostly over. I am sure he was set up with some nice pads overseas to live it up with the money laudering going on though.

Who knows maybe they will resurrect the Ghost of Kyiv again to lie and claim they are winning again.

 

Well, yeah it makes sense for Ukrainians to defend Ukraine. That’s generally how that should work. Survival is a powerful motivator.

Meanwhile North Koreans have entered the chat on the invader side. I must have missed your criticism of Russia, it’s always “the west” risking WW3. Never the criminals doing the criming.

 

We are the ones risking it because they can't even target ATACMS etc without us doing it for them and Russia has already said they reserve the right to treat that as an act of war basically. And to the people saying it could never happen just look at what was used to start WW1.

 

Some people are saying this is first use in any war of an ICBM. Not sure if that is accurate but Russia is clearly trying to send Ukraine and the West a message doing this. Some US officials are disputing it was an ICBM so not 100% verified.

 

Our administration is reckless, and more Ukrainians will die as a result.

 

Just added you to the ignore list. Not sure if you are a Russian troll or just ignorant.

 

Yes Ukrainian are dieing because of our actions not because they have been invaded by Russia.

 

C. All of the above.

 

The point is Reagan exited Lebanon once that he learned the juice wasn't worth the squeeze. We're not having a debate now whether or not to involve ourselves in Ukraine. We have been involved for almost 3 years already. The debate now is whether to withdraw that support or maintain it. (i.e. has the juice been worth the squeeze? and what about going forward?)

Ukraine was/is not a "free European democratic country". In fact, their freedom rating now and in 2022 was in the lower half of all nations on the globe and among the very worst in Europe. The country to this day is rife with corruption. If Reagan was still around, he would never have attempted to setup up a NATO satellite state on Russia's border with Russia pre-warning it's a red line. Especially knowing that the underlying state was so supremely corrupt. Reagan would have understood the eventuality and we're seeing that eventuality unfold today.

While Reagan did fund the mujahideen in Afghanistan, in that instance he correctly assessed that the juice was indeed worth the squeeze. He would have understood there is essentially no juice to be had with present-day Russia as they are already a severely weakened relic of the former Soviet state. Also, since Russia has privatized, their economic options are easier to navigate. Something Reagan understood was not true of the Soviet Union.

War hawkism is dying in the GOP. The voters have confirmed their desire to exit this monstrosity in Ukraine. Donald J Trump has been re-elected on that platform. You will have to suck it up.

 

It is true that many Ukrainians, even ones living in Kyiv are ambivalent towards Russia. Many Ukrainians have family ties in Russia, other ties in Russia and many Ukrainians in Kyiv and western Ukraine speak Russian as a second language. And some of them will even tell you they have envied Russia's prosperity in comparison to their own over the last 25 years. They may be irked about the war, but none of them are surprised it's happening either. You don't have two revolutions in the past 25 years in your country without understanding it's an unstable situation.

In most of their heart of hearts, Ukrainians want peace. Zelenskyy ran for president on a peace platform, after all. And don't assume for a second that Zelenskyy is loyal to the West. Ukraine is very corrupt. There was a time when Viktor Yanukovych was friendly with the West. And let's not forget Petro Poroshenko, who was president of Ukraine during the initial push in 2014. He's being held for treason inside of Ukraine at the moment.

 

our administration is tepid, and too many ukranians died as a result of that.

putin is a pos, and too many people on both sides died because of that

 

It is truly amazing how many of our own people blame the U.S. for a war in which we haven’t fired a shot and our historical rival is the actual aggressor. Strange times.

 

Oh, we've fired many shots. Just like Iran have fired many shots vis-a-vis Hezbollah and Hamas. Just because we're handing off our weapons to the locals and letting them fire the shots for us doesn't mean we're not firing the shots.

 

the west has allowed russian oil exports to continue to prevent oil shortages and economic impacts..oil isn't short anymore...
Perfect time to hit Kremlin's oil revenues -

According to Bloomberg oil strategist Julian Lee, the current price cap mechanism, which has not limited Moscow's oil revenues, was introduced at the request of the US administration, which was concerned that an actual reduction in Russian exports would lead to a sharp rise in prices. However, this no longer raises the same concerns as it did two years ago when the measure was being developed.

Even with geopolitical tensions in the Middle East reaching their highest level in a decade, Brent crude is still hovering below $75 per barrel and dropped below $70 in September. This is a quarter less than it was when the price cap was developed.

The agency says that sanctions imposed on individual tankers for violating the price cap have been moderately successful. These vessels initially stood idle for months after being included in the US, UK, or EU lists. More recently, Moscow has begun to bring them back into service. Their return had no consequences for those who received the ships in their ports. “Perhaps it’s time it did,” writes an oil strategist for Bloomberg.

Currently, 90 oil tankers are subject to sanctions by one or more of the three administrations. A significant increase in this number (the shadow fleet used to transport Russian oil is estimated at 600 vessels) and the introduction of real costs for their use will hit Moscow hard, the agency says.

 

lol agree to disagree.

 

Disagree based on what? There's no getting around this. Even if you believe our actions are 100% justifiable, we are definitely orchestrating a proxy war in Ukraine. The war wouldn't be happening without our weapons.