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Linda McMahon for Secretary of Education

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by RIP, Nov 19, 2024 at 11:41 PM.

  1. okeechobee

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    Hmmm... Obama from 2009-2017 and then Biden 2021-now. 12 of last 16 years under Democrat control and rankings are plummeting. Maybe we ought to try something different?
     
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  2. gatordavisl

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    Why should U.S. be #1 in education? Seriously. What makes this country smarter or more academically superior than people in other developed countries? Ever been to Denmark, Finland, Japan, Taiwan? They kick U.S. ass in many ways, not just education. Start with their diet. Fresh food, less processed crap. Finland & Denmark in particular are super eco-friendly. Walking and bike trails everywhere and people make good use of them. Back to education - it's much easier to selectively educate a largely homogenous population than it is to unconditionally educate a wildly diverse population of children with differing needs and interests.
     
  3. okeechobee

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    Yeah, man! I want to be #16 too! All I ask for is a participation trophy.
     
  4. OklahomaGator

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    You can't stay the #1 country in the world if you don't keep your population educated. Yes I have been to Denmark but not the other 3 countries. I agree, we need more fresh food and less processed food, our obesity rate is terrible and I also tie that somewhat to education. What happened to physical education in schools anyway, but that's beside the point.

    America was called the melting pot, people from all corners of the world melting into one society that brought America to it's peak in the 1900's. We did it then, we can do it now.
     
  5. okeechobee

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    "We need more engineers and less trumpet players." - something Linda McMahon would say.
     
  6. gatordavisl

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    Well I assure you the wrestling entrepreneur ain't gonna improve U.S. education. And what is "#1 country in the world" mean anyway? The melting pot is a myth. There is a certain amount of people coming together, but not as a whole. But rah, yay USA. I'm sure Trumph and his merry band of reality stars / bid donors will bring us all back to the glory days of the 1900s.
     
  7. OklahomaGator

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    Deflect all you want here is the facts:
    • The U.S. placed 16th out of 81 countries in science when testing was last administered in 2022.
    • The top five math-scoring countries in 2022 were all in Asia.
    • U.S. students' math scores have remained steady since 2003. Their science scores have been about the same since 2006.
    • The IMD World Competitiveness Center reports that the U.S. ranked 12th in its 2024 Competitiveness Report after ranking first in 2018.
    Are you happy being 18th out of 81? Are you of the belief we need to keep doing what we are doing? Or is change necessary?
     
  8. BLING

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    There really is no “education system” in the United States. At best it’s 50 separate education systems, with the feds mosty overseeing civil rights and doing grants to smooth out underserved areas. But local funding is overall 87% of that math. Even within states there’s a lot of local control and variability - as well as inequality even within close geographic areas (the proverbial “other side of the tracks” still very much exists). If we want to drill down it’s actually even more granular than “50 school systems”.

    Many of the countries in those comparisons have the population of a single U.S. state and the national govt actually runs the public schools. Finland for example is a mostly homogeneous country of 5.5 million people. I wonder how their educational attainment compares to Massachusetts’ 7 million people? Anytime we look at national averages of the U.S. remember there are red states dragging down those averages, and I’d say inequality drags down all 50 states to at least some extent.
     
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  9. okeechobee

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    Deflect deflect deflect! lmao We want to lecture you on how bad your nominee is, but our results suck and oh by the way, our results don’t really matter.
     
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  10. okeechobee

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    Progressives want to destroy America. That’s why they let millions of unvetted immigrants in, knowing they would go on to kill our citizens, poison our streets and stretch our already stretched resources.
     
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  11. AzCatFan

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    The truth is not a deflection. We have to weigh the entire country as a whole in education. But if and when we break it down by state, it tells a different story. Massachusetts ranks number 1 in education. Oklahoma and New Mexico are 49th and 50th respectively. Population of Mass roughly equals that of OK and NM. Mass alone would come close to top 10 country rankings. OK and NM combined, much worse than 18th.

    But the world rankings are by country, not state. And combined, we're top 20. That's not bad considering we're competing with countries that have a smaller population than individual states.

    Oh, and I live in a border state. Our streets aren't poisoned, our crime rates are down, and we're not starving for resources. Maybe, one day, you'd like to visit. I know some great Mexican restaurants in Nogales and Tucson, and plenty of fine dining spots in Scottsdale. My treat.
     
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