Kamala Harris on Pace to Shatter Democratic Record Among College Educated

Case in point and you guys can believe this or not. I don't care one way or another but..

I was at a Mexican restaurant a few weeks back on a slow night speaking with several Mexican men who work there. Everyone of them said they want Trump to win but "he just needs to shut up though".

Take that how you will and again, believe it or not. These people exist. Trying to act like they don't isn't really helping your bottom line. The name of the game is to get people on your team, shitting on people and lumping them all in with MAGA people isn't really a winning strategy if in fact you are trying to get independent folks to follow you. Right or wrong, nobody wants to follow a condescending person that thinks they know everything.

BTW PITBOSS, none of this was at you specifically. Just a general statement/thoughts.

 

If we are talking about poor working class people, it may be true that both parties “let them down” in different ways, but Republican policy has been outright hostile towards their interests.

Trump often straight up lies to them (such as with claiming to have “saved” the affordable care act), and in other cases he just presents them with historically leftist economic ideas (such as tariffs).

A lot of people seem bitter about trade or being “left behind”, this is especially true in the proverbial one factory town (if that factory moves off to China or Mexico) but the GOP argument on that was typically “pull yerselves up by them bootstraps”. You can’t tell people that for 30+ years and then flip it around and be the “protectionist” party. Well you can (that’s what’s happened with Trump), but it isn’t rational - and populist movements generally end badly.

If poor people think their lives will be magically made better by 20% “across the board tariffs” or by deporting millions of immigrants, then they truly must not understand anything about economics or history because govt doing things like that would be economically devastating… to them especially.

 

Good post. I'd say its not all people who are poor though. My wifes parents flew over from Cuba on the freedom flights. They are very successful (high upperclass, not rich). They are technically "MAGA" people but with them its more about what they think they see happening and comparing it to Cuba with a dictatorship. Im not one of those people, btw. However, there are a lot of people even those who are not Cuban immigrants (who typically vote Conservative even without Trump) who vote for Trump because they see a lot of policies that they think are slowly leading us to that.

We could slice the issues one by one and find lots of people who vote for those issues without giving two thoughts of who the actual president is. I just think that its not very intellectual to forget that sticky detail and continue to throw flame at anyone that doesn't straight up declare Trump hitler and immediately change everything they have ever believed in and vote for Kamala. The independents and the ones who cant stand Trump either grow tired of it.

 

There can no longer be this claim of its only now trump because he’s the Repub nom. There were other repub candidates and I would have voted for a few over Biden or Harris in the general. Haley for one. There were conservative candidates , Desantis is an “own the libs” guy, pence is pro life and a practicing Christian and wouldn’t turn more pro-choice like Trump did, Haley actually talked about nat’l debt, Christy a gadfly and “tell it like it is”. But Trump won the primary and it wasn’t close. He is the Repub guidepost and hero by a landslide

 

Would you vote for someone who can't win? Typically I think people are voting for the one who can win. You guys are asking people to change the way they have lived their whole life and vote for something else. These people don't agree with the way of living Democrats want to bring them because they have had a lifetime of Dems and just because it's Trump doesn't all of a sudden make them want to vote the other side.

You guys are trying to make it 1+1=2 but this is more like advanced calculus.