Question for Trump supporters

Seriously, though. Would you moderate this thread differently based upon snark or rudeness? Insults sure, but otherwise that doesn't sound right.

 

I prefer his policies over the left's. Seems to be more common sense oriented.

Specifically though.....

1. I prefer lower gas and consumer goods pricing.

2. Also hate seeing so many people coming into the country illegally....while so many others wait to get in legally.

3. Prefer Trump's foreign policy.

4. I also feel he looks out for the US in many ways and not afraid to upset the apple cart, in our behalf.

None of the other stuff you mentioned "his numerous flaws, lies, self aggrandizement, crassness, and cruelty" really bother me as much as the 4 items I listed.

I also see him more engaged with the people than those on the left.

 

Or... it means Uni-Party... NWO, Globalist.

 

He's involved in multiple criminal cases and can basically make them go away by becoming president again, so yeah, I think he is in it for himself to some degree, if not all degrees lol

 

At this point, the only asset owned by Trump with real value is his access to power. See the stock price of a shrinking and technologically simple social media website that he partially owns. That is his current pathway to monetize access to power. There isn't really much else to explain the valuation. I don't think "Twitter but orders of magnitude smaller and more political" is really all that attractive as a true company (especially given that investors are realizing that even Twitter isn't really worth anything).

 

Do you think if he never ran for President he would be involved in multiple criminal cases?

 

Probably not, but that says more about how we generally don't prosecute rich people that stay out of politics for crimes. If you want to do regular corruption in the corporate world, we kind of leave you alone. This applies to anyone from Trump, to Menendez to Corrine Brown. And in Trump's case, many of his subsequent crimes are related to him being president.

 

LMFAO! WINNER!!!

One more good thing about Trump's policies is that he wants our energy prices, for everyone, to go down by unleashing domestic energy on federally controlled land.

 

From your perspective posts that were not great convo were deleted? . . . That's not a constructive policy imo; Is it even in accordance w site rules?

 

Yeah, those were some other things that didn't help. What I think is that when Obama was elected, everyone thought that the "basket of deplorables" was such a small part of America that they could say and do that kind of thing thinking that the majority of people wouldn't say Boo to it.
And to be fair, there were a large number of independents and some conservative leaning folks that voted for Obama. Doesn't mean they didn't want to be called deplorable and belittled for having guns or bibles.

 

I’m far from what you’’d consider a Trump supporter. I regard this whole enterprise as largely fake.

I don’t see two parties as much as two factions vying to administrate and increasingly totalitarian state.

That said, there are reasons I might vote for Trump. Ex: I suspect - and I could be wrong - that Trump would be more amenable to getting along with our adversaries.

As to crimes, it’s Trump allegedly fingering a woman, thirty years ago vs. Biden taking us to the brink of WWIII.

As to lies, that’s how politicians acquire power - and maintain it, not because they are worse than we are, but because we’d rather not hear the truth.

Lastly, regarding Trump’s demeanor that so drives his detractors to ruin, try as I might, I just can’t get infuriated, even after accounting for his rolling over to the Covidians.

 

Morality has become our politics and in some cases, becomes the most compelling way to identify ones self.

This is not a workable framework for a functioning democracy. We too often view our political stance as who we are as actual people - as something that wholly defines us as people. That's not how politics is meant to work. Politics should simply be a negotiation over a shared space, not an existential arguement.

We don't vote for a politician because they're going to become part of our lives. This whole idea of who would you rather have a beer with - who cares? We should be voting on a candidate we think would benefit us or what we care about more than the other candidtaes. That's it. Allowing it to become emotional has allowed our political identification to become something to exploit for economic gain and has created an algorithmic death spiral for far too many.

On a personal level, this morality-as-politics issue destroys the ability to discuss even the most mundane of topics with people of another political party. It's mind-blowing. An anaology I heard recently is that it would be like going out to dinner with someone. You want red wine. They want white. You then call them stupid and completely unknowledgeable about wine at all, and because of their lack of knowledge, they shouldn't even be allowed to have a say in ordering the wine. Guess what - you still have to have dinner with this person (a nation). Presumably you planned on going to dinner together (not having civil war). Why would you discuss which type of wine to buy in such a manner? Simplistic, but to the point.

To that point - we can't put our political opponents into a box. We all have internal conflicts that need to be understood. Find the places of commonality - or even one place, and start from there. Explore ways to find commonality (like this thread - thanks @lacuna). Message boards and SM in general just lend themselves to destructive flamethrowing, not common-ground-finding acceptance of each other despite our different wants a desires on certain topics.

I think a potential reply to this post (if any one actually even reads it) would be to say, well so-and-so started it. We can go back and back and point at a myriad of different things, but it's counter to the entire point that this hyper-identity, morality-politics has exploded in the last decade plus, and it isn't sustainable.

I don't guess it's going to change anytime too soon. Hopefully there will be some type of realization and slow societal shift away from our current climate. I give this country's robust institutions another couple decades (at most) of being able to stand up to this type of assault before they break.

 

It is kind of funny, I did not like Trump at all before he got into politics, I thought he was a Jackass, I thought he cared about nobody but himself and he thought he was better than everybody else.

All that changed when he first started to run for President. I really liked his politics but still thought he was an ass. Then he started standing up to the media and the lefts bull crap. I realized he really did want to MAGA. He was and still is fighting for what is best for his country. Sometimes you have got to fight nastiness by standing up to it and that is exactly what he does. I still don't always agree with the way he says things but bottom line is he is fighting for you and me whether you you agree with his methods or not.

 

The only reason he is involved in any criminal case is because the left wants to keep him out of the White House. If he choose not to run or had never ran for office they would have never happened.

 

yr post made me recall that in the early 90s, I was at a Keg party in Tx. Me & the head of Wisconsin's socialist party stood at the keg getting ripped & had a wonderful debate....finally drunkenly toasting each other's idealism. Today, that would escalate into a fist fight in about 5 mins.