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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by l_boy, Jul 17, 2024.

  1. l_boy

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  2. wgbgator

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    Unnamed leakers prophesizing doom to the press, a rogue president with questionable mental capacity surrounded by enablers, talk of the 25th amendment ... where have I heard this before?
     
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  3. dangolegators

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    Such a simplification. Biden is the sitting president and has done a good job. Dems have done a lot more than 'play orange man' bad the last 4 years. I do wish some realistic candidates had chosen to run against Biden in the primaries, but they would have almost certainly lost. Sitting presidents generally don't lose primaries. All that usually comes of it is the incumbent is damaged for the general election. There's really very little Dems could have done to prevent this situation. This is pretty much entirely on one person -- Biden. He's really the only one who could have prevented it, by not running for a second term.
     
  4. G8tas

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    All of this doom and gloom is just an overreaction created by click bait headlines and is not doing anyone favors. People have short attention spans and will be focused on what's really important when they receive their ballot
     
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  5. ajoseph

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    It wasn’t just the debate. It was the report that came out by the investigator (where they said he couldn’t remember anything) regarding the government documents when he was VP; the way he generally looks and talks, the loss of volume in his voice, the misuse of words, the mid-sentence loss of use of words — all of that led to us a thing the debate where it confirmed what our eyes and ears have been telling us.
     
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    I've read and looked at so much data and info I'm not as encouraged. Like 1 out of 5 dem votes are in Cali or NYC, therefore nat'l polls can overstate a Dems chances (i.e. popular vote vs EC - see HRC).
    I really hope you're correct. It could get bad under trump. Just the other day I read how harmful he was and could be again to our intel and security agencies. it just goes on and on.

    not rhetorical but in your estimate Biden has a decent chance?
     
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  7. ajoseph

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    I think this is not a reflection of the present realities. Biden’s age is not going away and will not be forgotten, something we are reminded every time he talks in public. I thing it is absolutely urgent that reality be instilled in Biden so that there remains a sliver of time to get a new candidate that has a chance to win.
     
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  8. G8tas

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    Don't fall for that. At this point people are just looking for confirmation bias. Biden has been bad for years. There was an article I read that was written in 2014 related to his shortcomings that most people probably are unaware of

    Why Joe Biden's Gaffes Don't Matter

    Joe Biden misspeaking, or going too far, isn't news. The vice president's gaffe history is legendary; mistakes are expected. But three slips in the space of a mere 24 hours? That's a Biden record.

    In a Tuesday speech, the vice president referred to people who sold bad loans to service members as "Shylocks," a Jewish slur derived from Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice. The next day, just hours after apologizing for the antisemitic remark, he did it again, calling Asia "the Orient" in his kickoff speech for the "Nuns on the Bus" bus tour in Des Moines. And that afternoon, he capped off his Iowa trip—a testing ground for a possible 2016 run—with a flourish. Straying from the administration's set line that there wouldn't be any boots on the ground to combat ISIS in Iraq, he told a reporter, "We'll determine that based on how the effort goes."



    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/09/why-joe-bidens-gaffes-dont-matter/451404/
     
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  9. G8tas

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    Is Biden in trouble? Absolutely, but he's going against the greatest GOP candidate that gives him a chance to win. Also, people have short memories. Biden will need to go on the road (he will) to remind people how bad the other guy is.
     
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  10. ajoseph

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    I want Trump to lose every bit as much as you want Biden to win. But my eyes and ears, and my conversations with friends and colleagues, tell me has has no real chance. And that was before the assassination attempt.

    We all know that unless Trump keeps his mouth shut until the election, he will very likely gaffe. But unless there is someone other than Biden, there will be no ability to capitalize on the inevitable gaffe.

    Stated slightly differently, no matter how much people wish it were not so, Biden has irretrievably lost the confidence of most Americans.
     
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  11. G8tas

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    That would mean that Biden voters would either vote for Trump or they would stay at home. I just don't see that happening.
     
  12. ajoseph

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    Enough of them will stay at home, just like they did(probably more so) with Hilary. And he is costing the down-ballot votes as well.
     
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  13. wgbgator

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    People think Biden is too old, even Democrats, there is nothing he can do to become 10 years or even 4 years younger that's kind of the problem. Every time he does anything he's just going to reinforce his weakness. He was probably helped by COVID in 2020 in that he didnt have to do much active campaigning and could basically do nothing while Trump took heat for COVID and all, but that doesn't quite work now. Like literally anyone could make the case the other guy is bad better than him, simply by being able to get through an interview without looking every bit of 81 years old.
     
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    Can’t strategize when you are herding ideological cats ;)
    This is always why I never feared the left crazies vs the religious right crusaders. Damn dems always eat their own without common goals. Not even Orange Man Bad can keep them together.
     
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    President Joe Biden held a call with moderate Democrats that was “even worse than the debate” just an hour before the assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump on Saturday.

    The report by Puck citing people on the Zoom call comes as House Democratic heavyweight and California Senate nominee Adam Schiff called on Biden to step aside on Wednesday.

    Like in the debate, Biden is reported to have lost his train of thought during the Zoom call with moderate Democrats. One anonymous source told Puck that had the assassination attempt not taken place, as many as “50 people on that Zoom were ready to come out publicly against him.”

    One person who took part in the conversation told the outlet, “The call was even worse than the debate. He was rambling – he’d start an answer then lose his train of thought, then would just say ‘whatever.’ I lost a ton of respect for him.”

    A second individual confirmed this version of events. A member of Congress told Puck that Biden “was rambling, dismissive of concerns, unable or unprepared to present a campaign strategy, and had a particularly troubling exchange with [Colorado Democratic Rep] Jason Crow, saying to him, ‘Tell me something you’ve never done with your Bronze Star like my son.’”

    Many on the right had been seeing this, saying this for a long long time and yet were deemed as wrong (putting it nicely). It makes me wonder if this wasn't noted by handlers early when Biden was basically in bunker mode prior to the last presidential election. But no doubt his dementia has progressed. The sad thing is for the last couple of years there were those in the media and those closest to him that kept things quit while putting this nation at risk. Pure speculation again on my part was having his VP take over was not an option. I suspect she was chosen to help get him elected but really nothing more. It's more than sad that this nation imo was compromised by an impaired president who promised to be transparent but has been anything but. He is so impaired that many within his party want him out. The curtain has been lifted in Oz. And yet, many will still pull the lever for him.
     
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  16. GatorNorth

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    Biden voters are always going to vote for him. It’s the 5-7% of independents in 6-8 swing states that will again decide this election, and he’s slipping badly there.

    Just look at the gap between Biden’s numbers be the Dem Sen candidate in those states. He’s 6-10 points worse across the board.

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  17. wgbgator

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    IMO the best theory of Biden win would be those people leaning Dem in Senate races "come home" ... but would you want to stake an election on it? Of course, it does set up one of the funniest possibilities: a Trump win plus Democrats somehow controlling the Senate and Congress.
     
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    Coming to terms with the idea of Trump winning in November. If so, that is who we are as a country.
     
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    Absent Joe finding the Fountain of Youth in the next few weeks I suspect it’s more likely those deficits widen than narrow before the DNC next month. Decent chance Dems ultimately keep the Senate but without some energy injected into the campaign the House will be a much tougher putt as gerrymandered as it is.
     
  20. G8tas

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    snap out of it
     
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