Louisiana Becomes First State To Require Ten Commandments In Public School Classrooms

There are some on this forum who might suggest it. But ... no. And in fact it was another moderator who hammered the nail that banished the nutso wannabe at my suggestion.

 

Would have been pretty cool to have bantered a bit more with Jesus before he had to go.
He was on my bucket list of people I’d like to have a convo with.

 

I’m not a lawyer (I did take a business law class at UF). I found this nugget:

In 1980, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a similar Kentucky law was unconstitutional and violated the establishment clause of the U.S. Constitution, which says Congress can “make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” The high court found that the law had no secular purpose but rather served a plainly religious purpose.

Granted that was 44 years ago and the world and the high court are completely different. Also we have Oklahoma doing the same.

To be honest when politicians do stuff like this I pause and think about the “why”. They know it’s going to get struck down. I’m cynical (to a fault) and I look at this as folks who just want to have their name and face out there as the “face” of a movement. Creating a spectacle for increased donations and possibly more power in local/state/national politics. Both sides of the political spectrum do stuff like this to pander to a group of folks or special interest groups.

This is a long post to just call this what it is a publicity stunt to further their careers. Even if it gets struck down “Hey, at least they are still talking about me!” That is what I personally believe is the end goal with this.

 

What I don’t understand is ….. why do some people fight so hard against the Ten Commandments being posted on a classroom wall when, to those people, the Ten Commandments mean nothing.

 

Have you read the constitution lately? There is some verbage in there that speaks to that. Establishment clause. Check it out.

 

Even some of the Christian folks (myself included) suggest that posting the 10C will make no diff. If that's true, why do it? (btw - the idiots proposing this foolery also know it won't make a diff) The answer to this Q is the answer to your Q.

 

Probably because the people behind these efforts tend to have an obvious agenda, are often total pandering frauds as Christians, and these commandments are aimed exactly at the people you say the commandments “mean nothing”. It’s a stunt.

But even setting that aside, the constitution is clear on this. I can imagine a lot of small towns have schools where they probably violate on the daily, just because everyone is like minded and nobody speaks up or complains about constitutionality. Hypothetically I don’t really have much issue with that scenario, provided they immediately accommodate a person that takes issue. But the reality is they are highly unlikely to do accommodations or the person being “accommodated” would be ostracized or pressured for their differing take on religion, so it’s best to just nip these in the bud.

Doing at a state level of course is a different animal, because it’s then large #’s of people that are going to take issue with it even in the Bible Belt. But technicality it wouldn’t matter if it were just 1 out of 2000 students. There arent “exeptions” to the fundamental rights laid out in the constitution.

 

maybe taking a stand for conservatism means something to them.

 

I disagree. I no longer think that the constitution is the great safeguard that I used to think it was. It needs to be enforced. &, I am not just talking about the courts.

 

My suspicion is the end goal is to 1) challenge Brown v Board and 2) redefine that the Establishment and Free Exercise clause are “federalism” and that it was not intended to protect an individual from a state being able to establish a religion.

 

What happens when "Christian" isn't the predominant agenda?
If we're trying to bring non-Christians to Christianity, this isn't the way.
If we're not trying to bring non-Christians to Christianity, what is the purpose?

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

Are you incapable of seeing the other side of this? Let’s pretend for a minute that it was mandated that Sharia law posters be displayed on the walls of public schools in American. Do those laws mean anything to you? If not, you’d have no problem with them being displayed right? Why can’t conservative folks put themselves in another’s shoes? It’s absolutely baffling.

 

If we give the government power to do this when we agree with it, we also give the government power to do this when we don't agree with it.

Give the government less power.

 

Please some evidence please that this is not the way to introduce someone to Christianity? Maybe someone who's getting no introduction to any sort of religious belief reads the Ten Commandments and then begins a search of their own? Is that so bad?

Again, why do people who do not believe in God worry so much about (fight so vigorously against) a sign referencing something they believe does not exist? Don't worry be happy. Is that the 11th commendment?

 

I see we have moved past the notion that this is anything other than the state promoting a specific religion.

 

I just finished a book that talked about how before the Civil War the Bill of Rights was seen as applying only to federal actions and not to the states. Interesting that that outlook would be resurrected.

 

Because it’s a flagrant violation of the constitution. I find it deeply troubling that you have no problem with it. And the ONLY reason you don’t is because the sign advocates for YOUR god. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills having to explain this to a seemingly educated adult American.

 

The 14th Amendment cured that.

 

He would probably be one of those types saying we need to bring back civics education and educate on the basic fundamentals of our government.

Ummm. Yeah.