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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. duggers_dad

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    Democracy in Europe is biannual temper tantrums going back and forth choosing parties which enjoy under 30% approval.
     
  2. PITBOSS

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    Ukraine support has about a guaranteed 6-month window to get them set up. Ukraine does a decent job slowing the Russian army with massive drone attacks. The entire country is making them. But air defense for their cities and civilians is a different story. The anti-missile defense systems need replenishing, and those weapons are advanced and can't easily be made in Ukraine if at all. Hopefully the F16's will help with this.....if they can ever get someone to fly them.

    Just imagine how elated Putin is with those results.
     
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  4. duggers_dad

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    I’ve read that the average age of the Ukrainian fighter is 43 and that thousands of women have been sent to the front lines.
     
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  5. GatorJMDZ

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    Too late for Operation Unthinkable?
     
  6. duggers_dad

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    “Economist Stefan Demetz also correctly notes that Russia’s uniquely low debt structure and self-sufficiency in the form of trade surplus makes its economic value even higher than it seems.”

    So much for the guy who said the Russians were doing this with Chinese debt.
     
  8. G8trGr8t

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    NO, he is actively impacting foreign elections with the use of targeted propaganda to advance his goals
     
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  9. okeechobee

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    Joe Biden created the 4th largest economy in the world!! (and it passes fact check)
     
  10. duggers_dad

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    It must have pained the World Bank to acknowledge such.
     
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    How Ukraine conjures up reports of downed Russian aircraft. Note: I’m not suggesting Russia never lies. I rather suspect that it does. But lying is the central strategy for Ukraine, because when you’re losing - and Ukraine is losing badly - all you have is lies …

     
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    So much for the progressively thin-veiled Russophile who does not understand there are different kinds of “debt,” even though it was explained to him in a manner so simple an FSU grad could understand. Why, for instance, can’t your double-digit IQ spokeshole Medvedev ever actually use a tactical nuke in Ukraine to translate his threats into action? Because the emerging Chinese masters will not let them. That is a form of debt.

    And that arrangement is more than understandable, by the way. What is not is the stupidity of making threats you cannot and will not carry out, along with the stupidity of some, ostensibly on our side, of being deterred by said empty threats.
     
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  14. sierragator

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    I agree, those go together. It is not accident that right leaning parties in western countries are the means by which Putin is seeking to undermine, disrupt, and weaken the west. The Ukraine war is not his end game.
     
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  15. slayerxing

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    Ukraine Invasion Day 839: RU air defenses continue to be degraded

    Some neat stuff about the F16 in there. Plus the longer aggregated updates at the end about actual movement at the front.
    Russians continue to be stalled utterly in the north, and any gains they have made recently in other parts of the line have been measured in hundreds of meters.
    Still, given the utter lack of spine by western conservatives, and the inability of Ukraine to make any offensive gains, the likelihood of Ukraine winning by tiring out the Russians is low.
    Still - they keep striking air defenses in Crimea (quite effectively) - you have to wonder why they are doing that if they don't intend to actually attack there.
     
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  16. GatorJMDZ

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    If nothing else it is forcing Russia to divert limited resources there to defend it and every jet or helicopter destroyed there is one less the Russians have to use elsewhere.
     
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  17. dingyibvs

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    Of course, we didn't lose in the trenches in Vietnam and the USSR didn't in Afghanistan either. There's more than one way to fight a war.
     
  18. chemgator

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    Ukraine is certainly not "losing badly". Very foolish thing to say. Iraq in 1991 and 2003 was "losing badly". Ukraine in this war has never been too far from actually being on their way to winning the war, and can certainly pull out a victory with continued support from the U.S. and Europe.

    For starters, Ukraine has already won the sea war in the Black Sea, dominating and humiliating Russia's surface fleet. Russia has been reduced to patrolling the Black Sea with four submarines. "Climb up the main mast and tell us if enemy vessels are on the horizon!" "We don't have a main mast, sir! We're a submarine."

    Russia is patrolling the Black Sea with submarines after its surface fleet got walloped, Ukraine says (yahoo.com)

    Ukraine's military is well on its way to winning the air war, with much of Russia's air defenses destroyed, and a fair percentage of Russia's combat aircraft either destroyed or afraid to take flight. F-16's should be taking flight this summer, leaving a trail of devastation in their wake as they fly through Russia.

    That just leaves the land war. Once Ukraine establishes control over sea and air, and resumes full resupply from the U.S. for things like artillery shells and Patriot missiles, the land war will become much easier for them, even with the fact that they have fewer soldiers. Then Russia will do what Russia always does (without U.S. support)--get defeated.

    Russia's economy overheating like it currently is will only accelerate their defeat, as the populace gets tired of starving to pay for a non-existential war.
     
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  19. duggers_dad

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    “Far Right” is just another name for people who don’t want to fight Russia to the last dead Ukrainian.
     
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    It’s not as if the question hasn’t been answered many times over. Simply, Ukraine has to achieve PR wins for its Western benefactors. Though the strikes you reference are minuscule, pin pricks in comparison to the way Russia returns fire, nonetheless, it keeps the weapons coming, albeit in smaller and smaller quantities.