War in Ukraine

okeechobee · Jun 10, 2024

chemgator said: ↑

And by the way, Ukraine IS fighting the equivalent of the Wehrmacht. The Wehrmacht was one of the top two militaries in the world in the early 1940's. Russia is generally acknowledged to be one of the top two militaries in the world today with combat experience (China has plenty of troops, hardware and technology, but no significant combat experience).
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Kharkov.

duggers_dad · Jun 10, 2024

Russia isolating the West …

enviroGator · Jun 10, 2024

G8trGr8t said: ↑

another balcony jumper. think djt would like to have this kind of power?

Judge known for punishing Kremlin foes mysteriously falls to her death from a window (msn.com)
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I'm already fairly convinced he had his ex-wife pushed down a staircase.

PITBOSS · Jun 10, 2024

duggers_dad said: ↑

I chuckle at references to Russian casualties knowing that Russia is said to have lost tens of millions in WWII.
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This is frequently mentioned and it’s not convincing. That was 80 years ago. I anticipate our civil war won’t be used regarding what we would sacrifice. All societies had a higher tolerance for casualties in ww2 and there was an understandable argument of not having a choice. The US lost 410k lives and still making plans to invade mainland Japan before the bomb. Russia is now a different country, their populace have vastly different life experiences and this is a different type of war. Russia in ww2 was still going thru Stalinism and a totalitarian police state with millions imprisoned, deported or killed who didn’t fall in line. Then in ww2 they had the majority of the German army ruthlessly invading them. Driving toward Moscow before they were stopped.

Sierragator has a good point in post 26263 that we can’t compare US to Russia’s reaction in a current war. But we also can’t compare current Russia to the Soviet Union 80 yrs ago in ww2. A better comparison might be Russia’s invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s. They had roughly 15k killed in that war and they stopped. In their current invasion of Ukraine, Russia already has 3x - 4x killed as they did in Afghanistan. But to reiterate the point, Putin appears to be doing a much better job with propaganda and squashing any organized public objection or reporting.

chemgator · Jun 10, 2024

PITBOSS said: ↑

This is frequently mentioned and it’s not convincing. That was 80 years ago. I anticipate our civil war won’t be used regarding what we’ll sacrifice. All societies had a higher tolerance for casualties in ww2 and there was an understandable idea of not having a choice. The US lost 410k lives and still making plans to invade mainland Japan before the bomb. Russia is now a different country, their populace have vastly different life experiences and this is a different type of war. Russia in ww2 was still going thru Stalinism and a totalitarian police state with millions imprisoned, deported or killed who didn’t fall in line. Then in ww2 they had the majority of the German army ruthlessly invading them. Driving toward Moscow before they were stopped (btw Stalingrad was the turning point for allies on their way to VE). Sierragator has a good point in post 26263 that we can’t compare US to Russia’s reaction to a current war. But we also can’t compare current Russia to the Soviet Union 80 yrs ago in ww2.
A better comparison might be Russia’s invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s. They had roughly 15k killed in that war and they stopped. In their current invasion of Ukrainian, Russia already has 3x - 4x killed as they did in Afghanistan. But to reiterate the point, Putin appears to be doing a much better job with propaganda and squashing any organized public objection or reporting.
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You are using way too much reason with chucklehead. He can't process three sentences of logical thought, much less three paragraphs.

chemgator · Jun 10, 2024

Brits claim that Putin has been humiliated again. The U.S. allowing Ukraine to fire weapons into Russia was supposed to be a clear red line that Putin would not tolerate, and yet he tolerated it. Apparently, Putin is a coward.

Vladimir Putin’s soft underbelly has been revealed (yahoo.com)

Vladimir Putin has made much of his red lines. In his state of the union address in 2021, he said, “I hope no one will think of crossing the red line with Russia… And where this line will be, in every particular case, we will determine it ourselves.”

One of those red lines was the use of American weapons to attack inside Russian territory, with Dmitri Medvedev threatening to arm the USA’s opponents in “unnamed regions” in response. In breaching that red line with impunity and US backing, Ukraine has gained a significant tactical advantage.

The area the US has permitted to be targeted is limited, but it has significantly reduced Russia’s ground sanctuary by up to 16 per cent. Ukraine may now strike military targets within range of their US-provided HIMARS in Russia’s Belgorod, Kursk and Bryansk oblasts.

Even though most Russian rear areas remain protected from HIMARS fire by President Biden’s own red line, initial reports suggest that Ukraine have already hit Russian air defence systems within these oblasts. Combined with other efforts – a drone strike successfully destroyed a fifth-generation SU-57 fighter jet at Akhtubinsk airfield, 366 miles from the front lines – it has made for a meaningful shift in the balance of power.
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chemgator · Jun 10, 2024

A Ukrainian fighter jet has attacked a target in Russia for the first time. A command node and ammo dump were destroyed.

Ukrainian fighter jet gets first direct hit on Russian soil (yahoo.com)

A Ukrainian fighter jet has struck a target inside Russia for the first time, destroying a “command node” and a suspected ammunition dump.

The strike, on Sunday, occurred across the border north of the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv, where Russia has been amassing troops and equipment as part of a new axis that opened up last month.

The attack comes after the West gave the green light for missiles to be fired into Russia, and Ukraine destroyed an advanced Russian anti-aircraft system placed near the border.

Vyacheslav Gladkov, the governor for the Russian region of Belgorod, said a “non-residential building” had been struck in the village of Rakitnoye.
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chemgator · Jun 10, 2024

Putin is disappointed in the performance of his hypersonic missiles enough to jail the physicists behind their design. They are charged with treason.

'Spy mania': Why is Russia accusing its own physicists of treason? (yahoo.com)

Russian President Vladimir Putin frequently boasts that his country is leading the world in developing hypersonic weapons, which travel at more than five times the speed of sound.

But a string of Russian physicists working on the science underlying them have been charged with treason and imprisoned in recent years, in what rights groups see as an overzealous crackdown.

Most of those arrested are elderly, and three are now dead. One was taken from his hospital bed in the late stages of cancer and died soon afterwards.

Another is Vladislav Galkin, a 68-year-old academic, whose home in Tomsk in southern Russia was raided in April 2023.
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dingyibvs · Jun 10, 2024

Looks like Europe's Ukraine support is coming to an end:

Europe's political earthquakes point to geopolitical shifts - Asia Times

A notable trend across these elections is the backlash against leaders who have supported military involvement in Ukraine. Macron, a vocal proponent of arms deliveries or even the possibility of sending troops to Ukraine, found himself at the losing end as voters increasingly oppose continued conflict with Russia.

This sentiment resonates beyond France, as German voters also turned away from parties advocating aggressive stances towards Russia.

The electoral outcomes in France have sparked discussions about potential political shifts in Germany. With the right-wing AfD (Alternative for Germany) and the newly formed left-national BSW (Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht) making significant gains, there is increasing pressure on the German government.
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If Trump gets elected the same will probably happen here.

G8trGr8t · Jun 10, 2024

chemgator said: ↑

A Ukrainian fighter jet has attacked a target in Russia for the first time. A command node and ammo dump were destroyed.

Ukrainian fighter jet gets first direct hit on Russian soil (yahoo.com)
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it is going to be interesting to watch ukraine try and assert some control or at least use of the airspace to impact the battles as more and more air defenses get taken out.

G8trGr8t · Jun 10, 2024

dingyibvs said: ↑

Looks like Europe's Ukraine support is coming to an end:

Europe's political earthquakes point to geopolitical shifts - Asia Times

If Trump gets elected the same will probably happen here.
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the propaganda worked. easier to win that battle than the one in the trenches

sierragator · Jun 10, 2024

G8trGr8t said: ↑

the propaganda worked. easier to win that battle than the one in the trenches
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Just biding his time and hoping for western governments that are more sympathetic.

okeechobee · Jun 10, 2024

dingyibvs said: ↑

Looks like Europe's Ukraine support is coming to an end:

Europe's political earthquakes point to geopolitical shifts - Asia Times

If Trump gets elected the same will probably happen here.
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I don't keep up with European politics, but yes, this will likely push the EU towards settling with Russia. You would think the EU of all people, would be very concerned about Russia's intervention in Ukraine, but they are not.

duggers_dad · Jun 10, 2024

PITBOSS said: ↑

This is frequently mentioned and it’s not convincing. That was 80 years ago. I anticipate our civil war won’t be used regarding what we’ll sacrifice. All societies had a higher tolerance for casualties in ww2 and there was an understandable idea of not having a choice. The US lost 410k lives and still making plans to invade mainland Japan before the bomb. Russia is now a different country, their populace have vastly different life experiences and this is a different type of war. Russia in ww2 was still going thru Stalinism and a totalitarian police state with millions imprisoned, deported or killed who didn’t fall in line. Then in ww2 they had the majority of the German army ruthlessly invading them. Driving toward Moscow before they were stopped.

Sierragator has a good point in post 26263 that we can’t compare US to Russia’s reaction to a current war. But we also can’t compare current Russia to the Soviet Union 80 yrs ago in ww2. A better comparison might be Russia’s invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s. They had roughly 15k killed in that war and they stopped. In their current invasion of Ukraine Russia already has 3x - 4x killed as they did in Afghanistan. But to reiterate the point, Putin appears to be doing a much better job with propaganda and squashing any organized public objection or reporting.
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I’ll throw you a bone …

Russia is fighting this war in such a manner as to minimize casualties, which is why its casualties are low given that this is a land war the likes of which the world has not seen since WWII and possibly WWI.

duggers_dad · Jun 10, 2024

Never mind Russia and China decoupling from the West, Europe would do well to decouple from the U.S.

duggers_dad · Jun 10, 2024

And no, Kyiv has not shot down hypersonic missiles. Also, if Russian hypersonic missiles are a laughingstock, the Pentagon sure hasn’t gotten the memo.

duggers_dad · Jun 10, 2024

Most recent KIA estimate from sources hostile to the Kremlin. Compare to spectacular exaggerations which are never challenged by mainstream Western media sources …

Mediazona confirms identities of nearly 54,200 Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine

By contrast, I’m seeing estimates from 350k to over a half million Ukrainian troops killed from Western sources.

slayerxing · Jun 10, 2024

You would think they would be worried but hey look at people here. Propaganda is effective.

okeechobee · Jun 10, 2024

slayerxing said: ↑

You would think they would be worried but hey look at people here. Propaganda is effective.
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They're tired of democracy.

slayerxing · Jun 10, 2024

okeechobee said: ↑

They're tired of democracy.
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Lol apparently

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