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Latin America tiring of China

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  1. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    Latin america starting to realize that China is out for China. Major port in Peru now under contention. Guatemala rolling over and allowing China to rape the country

    Latin America's anger at China's economic clout grows (msn.com)

    The blockade of Guatemalan goods is one of several minor conflicts beginning to overshadow China's course in Latin America, which has long been oriented towards growth and expansion. Those conflicts were, however, of a different nature, Vladimir Rouvinski, an associate professor with the Department of Political Studies at Icesi University in Cali, Colombia, told DW.

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    Various Latin American societies increasingly feel that it's predominantly Beijing which profits from the region's economic relations with China, Hauser said. Therefore, he said, current criticism of China's trade practices could become even more pronounced.

    In addition, there's a foreign policy element that plays a role. "Latin American countries find themselves increasingly entangled in the conflict of geopolitical rivalry between the US and China," Hauser said.

    "Against this backdrop, the current tensions between some Central American countries, like Guatemala and Costa Rica, and China are probably only the beginning of more conflict-ridden relations in the future," he said.


    Peru seeks to avoid arbitration over Chinese-built mega port | Reuters

    LIMA, April 29 (Reuters) - The Peruvian government is looking to avoid an international arbitration process which could be filed by Chinese port operator Cosco Shipping over a legal dispute regarding exclusivity rights to a massive facility being built by the firm, an official said on Monday.

    Cosco sent a letter to Peru's economy ministry in mid-April to start a six-month negotiation process in order to reach an amicable resolution without having to resort to international arbitration, local media first reported on Monday.
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    In March, Peru's port authority said an "administrative error" had given Cosco Shipping exclusivity over operations at the Chancay megaport and asked a judge to annul the decision. Cosco is expected to spend $1.3 billion on the first stage of the site.
    Since then, the government has pushed measures to allow private port operators to exclusively provide services.
     
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  2. tampagtr

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    Seems to be a pattern. One reason to still bet on the US and the West, presuming we dot self destruct from within
     
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  3. Emmitto

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    Ha, totally blindsided!! Who would have even considered that China will soon call in that crushing debt, with interest, in full!

    I mean I can't blame any SA country for being sick of the US. But if your solution is China or Russia, then you really don't have a firm understanding of your own grievances.
     
  4. tampagtr

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    I have read a fair amount about the early days of the Pacific in WWII, in which the Japanese military executed invasions with amazing precision invasions all over the Pacific Rim. Pearl Harbor was only one facet, not on the rim and nota full scale invasion, intended strategically to disable a US response.

    In many cases they were displacing Western colonizers - British, Dutch or US. They would sell the locals that they were being liberated from Western rule. The message was usually well received initially, as colonial rule was resented if not despised. But the Japanese were so brutal, chauvinistic and oppressive that the locals quickly wished (and surreptitiously supported) Western powers retaking the lands, at least to free them from the Japanese. Despite preaching Asian solidarity, the Bushido culture was pure supremacy.

    Of course, 40 years earlier, we told the Filipinos that we were there to free them from the Spanish. They believed it, and then realized there was just a new colonial master, one even more brutal.

    Even today, many Asian nations prefer American hegemony to Chinese hegemony. If they submit to the Chinese, it is only because they perceive the US cannot protect them and that they have to make the best of the situation.
     
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  5. ATLGATORFAN

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    Sadly the decisions of today are made by leaders that get the immediate benefit of the Chinese money today only to leave the crushing debt to be paid by later administrations. Until a leader is willing to sacrifice Today for the sake of tomorrow the poor decisions and the debt will continue
     
  6. wgbgator

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    This doesnt mean they prefer American imperialism to the Chinese kind lol, it just means imperialism is bad
     
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  7. AndyGator

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    I know you are talking about Latin America, but this could be said for North America as well.
     
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  8. sierragator

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    Therein lies the rub. The Chinese see it as their birthright to be the dominant world power ( all that middle kingdom stuff and long history etc). Question is can we out strategize them until their internal flaws take them down a notch or too, and can we do that without getting into a war with them? We have our shortcomings too ( as do all nations), but betting against us is not a wise choice if we play our cards right.
     
  9. G8trGr8t

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    don't worry about China, all that debt is secured by infrastructure projects built by chinese companies. so not only did the capitalize on the construction, they will own the infrastructure critical for a country's survival if they win in the foreclosure hearings. Those rights of ownership pending contract reach is what is happening real time at a massive port being built in Peru that will give China their first major port 100% under their control in the western hemisphere. Close to the fishing grounds that they love to exploit.

    Peru pushed back at total control provision but are now cowering in fear of arbitration. Not pretty. Once China owns the leadership and the port, how long before they own untold resources in the mountains of Peru?
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    Peru seeks to avoid arbitration over Chinese-built mega port | Reuters
     

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  10. Trickster

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    Speaking of war, I listened to 1A this morning about the danger of a nuclear war. The overwhelming opinion of the guests was that this generation has let its guard down, and that we are in greatest danger of a nuclear war since 1945.

    We've gone 80 years without a war and are due one if history is any guide, which it usually is.