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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. slayerxing

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    France and Germany are also both saying it's ok to shoot stuff into Russia.
     
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  2. PITBOSS

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    Of course still on going. But good guys seemed to have stopped or at least greatly slowed Russian advancements. When Russia first started this latest offensive I was very concerned they would push further into Ukraine.
    Russia does continue with bombing attacks on seemingly random targets which is a different story.
     
  3. PITBOSS

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    I listened to an interesting npr podcast on Russia’s recruitment. They recruit a large segment of Russian soldiers outside of population centers and urban areas. Many are purposely recruited from small towns and villages that have higher poverty rates. And there is a general theme of the families and recruits accepting the state message of defending the homeland against the west, etc. also the money the army is offering is significant compared to what they currently earn. Finally for KIAs, Russia is doing a better job of making a payment to the mother/parents for their loss and then getting out the message of them being a hero. Long story short, the Putin propaganda is effective in these smaller enclaves that have more of their own culture.
     
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  4. duggers_dad

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    Russia has poor kids enlisting in the military too ? Russia has propaganda too ?
     
  5. duggers_dad

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    Pretty much, but with one clarification. I believe that for Russians, ‘Nazi’ is code for a people who have been deeply inculcated into an abiding and psychotic hatred for Russians …

     
  6. duggers_dad

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    It’s okay to learn to get along in the world …

     
  7. okeechobee

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    As Blinken said, we adapt to the conditions that develop in the field. It must be going pretty bad if using American weaponry to hit targets inside Russia proper was a hard no and now it’s on the table. That’s not a shift a superpower makes if they’re winning.

    The clear inference is Ukraine is getting their asses handed to them and we are willing to consider upping the ante, because we don’t think they have a chance otherwise. This probably isn’t a cause for jubilation.
     
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  8. tampagtr

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    Way to go Swedes.

    True story about the Swedish military ethos. Had an international arbitration one time before a three arbitrator panel with a Swedish chair. Hilarious deadpan humor which my Belgian co-counsel told me they were famous for.

    Absolutely brilliant attorney that spoke about four languages. Dressed to the nines, very financially successful and looked like he could fit in at a Monaco casino

    Halfway through, they tell me he's a reservist tank commander on the weekends. Blew my mind.


     
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  9. duggers_dad

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    Africa turning to Putin …

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  10. uftaipan

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    Ah, that must be it. It couldn’t be gradual escalation of pressure to progressively message the Russians that we aren’t going to let them win. I think you’ve nailed it once more.
     
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  11. okeechobee

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    The "we” is a lame duck, so yeah, I think it's disaster mitigation ala Afghanistan. Not some grand master scheme that someone who plans to be in office another 4 years would see through.
     
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  12. duggers_dad

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    Ukraine does this again and again and again. It’s the equivalent of suicide by cop, only it’s mass-suicide by Russian artillery …

     
  13. duggers_dad

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    How are these she/he’s not on the front lines ?

     
  14. Gatorhead

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    Fortunately NATO and of course the UF got out of their "funk" and are steppin up again. If Ukranian Podcasters are to be believed, it's making a difference now to. Kinda tough to stop the ski version of the Mongol Hordes when you don't have shells to shoot.

    Now the shells are pouring in and "surprise" Russia is starting to bog down. The US and NATO will NEVER have a better bargain than in stopping Putz-in right now, supply the arms, the Ukrainians will supply the blood and guts.

    FYI - Putin made some disturbing threats recently against the Baltic nations. He does not like them providing weapons.

    W Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia have sad but intimate knowledge of what Russian oppression and occupation means.

    It turns one into a third world nation. Russia steals another countries resources and opens up cheap, rot gut vodka stores, to
    mollify the locals. Pretty much what they do in Russia too.

    Time to put this pariah, hostile, economically unproductive, totalitarian entity out of it's misery. Russia will be a shit hole as long as the
    left over Soviet KGB lunatics are left in charge, whom are reduced to threatning the entire world with their rotting, half ass nuclear arsenal.
     
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    Things are improving, I agree. I still say we need to increase pressure on Russia and decrease pressure on Ukraine by doing more than just supplying arms. Establishing a maritime exclusion zone between Odesa and Istanbul, putting logistical troops into Ukraine to supervise the material aid effort, making field hospitals in the border NATO states to relieve some of the stress on the Ukraine medical system, and shooting down Russian ballistic missiles (from NATO airspace) are just a few ways to send messages without directly killing Russians.
     
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  16. Gatorhead

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    Hey Duggars Dad -

    Any chance you know this guy? You two seem .............. familiar.

    MSN
     
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  17. sierragator

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    Treasonous bastard. I bet he and that Steven Seagal scumbag hang together a lot.
     
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  18. duggers_dad

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    I don’t know the guy. But if they’re saying he’s disseminating Russian disinformation it probably means he’s telling the truth. And the truth is we’ve become mental and moral pygmies …

     
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    And the traitor's name is "Dougan." Things that make you go "hmmm."
     
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