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DEROY MURDOCK: Open Borders Are Forcing Taxpayers To Open Their Wallets

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  1. flgator2

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    DEROY MURDOCK: Open Borders Are Forcing Taxpayers To Open Their Wallets | The Daily Caller

    President Joe Biden has transformed America’s southern border into a humanitarian catastrophe and a national security nightmare. This bloody, deadly mess is a clear and present danger to this republic.

    But this also is a massive fiscal threat. Biden’s obliteration of the border is evaporating federal, state, and local coffers.

    Precise figures on anything illegal are, by definition, elusive. Nonetheless, the Federation for American Immigration Reform’s report, The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers 2023, estimates that taxpayers bleed $182.1 billion in annual benefits to illegal aliens. This includes $66.4 billion in federal spending and another $115.7 billion in state and local outlays to those who have broken into America.

    “No sweat!” illegal-alien apologists argue. “They work hard, pay taxes, and pull their own weight.”

    I get some conservatives and republicans dislike or even hate Trump, but refusing to give him your vote and sitting out this election is the same as saying you support this. We can't go like this another 4 years.
     
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  2. G8tas

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    Funny how they didn't report on this during the border surges when Trump was in office. I'm still waiting for someone to define open borders
     
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  3. G8tas

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    You can have MTG write a bill and if Biden said he would sign it the GOP would figure out a way to block it
     
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  4. exiledgator

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    When an opening paragraph has more adjectives than nouns, one should know they are reading propaganda, not news.
     
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  5. G8tas

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    Yes definitely. Deroy Murdock is a heritage foundation Fox News propagandist.
     
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  6. domgator

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    I know, it's also so weird none of the liberal mayors of the large sanctuary cities that were overcrowded with illegals everywhere during the Trump administration did not complain. They waited until Biden was in office to start complaining about all of the extra people everywhere and lack of resources to handle them.
     
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  7. G8tas

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    Why didn't you complain when Trump was in office?
     
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    The Senate had a bipartisan compromise bill ready to go but Trump squelched it so he can campaign on it. Also, he's hoping for a domestic terror attack and a massive economic downturn to help himself.

    Your article is blaming the wrong person.
     
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  10. domgator

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    Trump is not part of the govt. He can't squelch anything. Biden and the democrats are in charge right now
    Don't need a bi partisan bill. The laws are in place already just enforce them. Also reverse the policies Biden ended on the first day of his administration like Remain in Mexico. Turn people away and let them know the border is closed and there is a process (not catch and release) for coming here. Word will get back to others don't come they are not letting us in. Its pretty easy really, just enforce the law and let border enforcement do their jobs.
     
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    Trump has leaned on House Republicans and Mitch McConnell to not advance the bill because he wants it to stay a campaign issue.

    You should not speak about that which you do not know.

    Republicans fracture on border, Ukraine deal as Donald Trump looms
     
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  12. Gatoragman

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    Simple temporary solution. Allow Texas to leave up razor wire, deport every illegal entry that is not through a check point, if they try to asylum and have not come through legal checkpoint deport them and they are not eligible for asylum for a period of time, make them wait in line for the check point on other side of border.
    These may not be comprehensive to solving the issue long term but it IMO it would greatly slow down the flow!
     
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    Any immigrant, regardless of where and when they entered, if they surrender to law enforcement and request asylum makes them a legal entry asylum seeker. Allowing Texas to leave the razor wire up would prevent potential legal asylum immigrants from entering, all while endangering their lives.

    The stay in Mexico policy was only legal under Title 42, which was a pandemic order. So unless you want the government to say COVID is back, remain in Mexico isn't coming back. The policy was also a human rights disaster.

    Over the last few years, US-Mexico international policy has led to several harmful and disastrous policies that have put the lives of migrants at risk. Under Trump’s administration, the ‘Remain in Mexico’ policy forced thousands of asylum seekers to remain in Mexico until their US immigration court date. Asylum seekers were left in dangerous conditions that exposed them to kidnapping, sexual assault, exploitation and violence. Biden continued the policy until June 2022, after mounting pressure regarding the human rights violations that occurred under this policy.
    Immigrants are human beings, not vermin. And they aren't poisoning the blood of Americans. They deserve to be treated humanely, and not be forced to be left in Mexico where human rights abuses run rampant. Nor forced to try and encounter razor wire, while Texas Guardsmen prevent their lives from being saved.
     
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    We can disagree across the aisle how to treat immigrants but to me it would make sense for Republicans to make a simple bill with something like this and put it to a vote:

    • Razor wire along the border fence
    • Deport anyone who didn't enter through a checkpoint
    • Asylum seekers must enter through a valid checkpoint
    Put Democrats on record and let the people decide with which side they agree. Too much gets lost in these larger bills that combine so many things together.
     
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    100% agree!!!!!
    Are there other reforms that must happen? Of course, there are and will require a much deeper dive and compromise from both sides. But simple, easy to understand legislation, put it on floor, take a vote and the chips fall where they fall after the vote.
    The argument that republicans think all immigrants are subhuman is just nothing but a hyperbolic assertion. To think that it is legal for you to enter this country anyway you want or can, jump all the lines and when caught or when you desire to, claim asylum then all is fine, is just madness. We need immigrants and we want immigrants, but some of us would like an orderly fashion of those said immigrants entering our country.
     
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    If you want an orderly fashion, let's go back to the days of Ellis Island. The process was "orderly" in those days. But I bet you couldn't find a single Republican lawmaker (and very, very few Republican voters) willing to get rid of government-determined quotas.
     
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    I don't think the analogy of Ellis Island really applies here, unless you are saying, since those immigrants were coming in by boat, they all had to pass through one checkpoint and you are recommending the same for the southern border the analogy doesn't fit.
     
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    If you don't provide a disincentive to come through a legal point of entry, you could set up a few points of entry and people would go to them.
     
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    Put razor wire in Texas, and the immigrants will still try and cross at first, How many more dead families at the border area acceptable? The answer should be zero!

    And skipping the line? There is no line to skip! How can immigrants skip it?

    Eventually, if you keep the razor wire up, the immigrants will simply go elsewhere to cross. And at 2000 miles long, it's impossible to keep it "secure" without spending billions upon billions of more money.

    Want an orderly entry? Pass the Gang of 8 style law that allows migrants to enter on a guest worker visa. Tell them they can enter legally if they enter at checkpoints, stay a few days at a facility while we run background checks, and then let them in assuming they pass. Very similar to how Ellis Island was run, but instead of an island accepting those from Europe and all points east, we're accepting from Mexico and all points south.

    This dream of a "secure" border is exactly that. A dream that will never come true. We've never had a secure border. Nor has any country, including those with walls, like Israel, who have much more of a reason to have a secure border.
     
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