Was Derek Chauvin Wrongly Imprisoned?

That and disappointment that the attack did not work.

 

I mean we have some on here who don’t even consider it an “attack” or “insurrection”…they carefully use other neutral terms to describe it

 

Yep, dead elected officials, martial law, election overturned, orange god still in power. High fives all around the magaverse. Good times.

 

My understanding from a family member who is retired Secret Service is that law enforcement are trained specifically not to fire warning shots. First and foremost, if you're firing your weapon, it should only happen because deadly force is justified. And in those scenarios, a warning shot can get you hurt or killed. Second, a warning shot can put somebody else in danger outside of the assailant.

But the most salient point here is that the officer has limited ammunition and is dealing with an angry mob. Are you going to waste a round on a warning shot that might only further anger the mob? You've already given verbal warnings and have a gun pointed directly at the person. Yet, they're still trying to come through the window.

 

We all know that @AgingGator would have been singing the cop's praises if BLM were the ones trying to come through the window

 

I get your point - It was Fort Apache with only a few defenders but there were 3 officers.
Killing of Ashli Babbitt - Wikipedia

 

You given it a lot of thought? Why are gun owners perpetually terrified?

 

Insurrection is the new tourism

...on the right

 

They really tried to play us into thinking the insurrectionists were oafish out-of-towners who just happened to clumsily stumble into the Capitol building LOL

 

Indeed. Likewise, it's why police look to shoot center mass and not simply to injure in stopping a threat. Otherwise, it raises a situation in which doing so would concede that the person wasn't truly a threat in the officer's mind.

 

I won't make assumptions about Aging's perspectives on police shootings. I don't recall what stances he has taken in the past, and I don't believe in imputing group stances to individuals, when they may or may not hold that same stance.

 

Well to be fair, there were plenty of oafish, qanon types who weren't violent but kinda just followed the crowd. But oafish tourism was not the dominant thing occurring no matter how some would like people to believe it was. And besides, Babbitt was not one of those oafish tourists. She was an insurrectionist who was literally trying to be the first through the hole.

I don't celebrate people's deaths and it is sad to me, but damn, she is no martyr and there was no righteous cause.

 

This is true. I don’t celebrate people dying either, but I see the “he was a thug who deserved it” sentiment from certain posters when it comes to George Floyd so I had to see if they kept that same energy when it comes to MAGA insurrectionist/trespasser Babbitt.

 

And you would want the cop imprisoned. What is your point?

 

Apologies, my last comment wasn't to infer that you celebrate death. That's just my mentioning out lout how I try not to even when the cause was of their own making or even when the person might be truly terrible.

I hear you about those certain posters. It's an unfortunate common refrain we see across many threads.

 

Never, absolutely not under any conceivable set of circumstances.

 

A great warning shot for Babbitt would have been a bullet through the foreheads of each criminal on either side of her.

 

SHe'll get a posthumous medal of freedom the next time the gop is in the white house.

 

Under Florida's felony murder rule, those there assisting her could have been charged with her death. DC's law is MUCH narrower.

Several years ago, several defense lawyers and I were appointed to represent several young men as a result of an Ybor City armed robbery gone bad. The robbers had come across some people from Lakeland who had parked in a bad area. Undercover police officers walked up on the robbery and a police officer ultimately shot and killed one of the robbers. In addition to armed robbery charges, each robber was charged with third degree murder for the death of their accomplice. Absolutely valid charge under Florida law.

 

No apologies needed, I know what you meant