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10/17 Insurrection

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Gatoragman, Oct 19, 2023.

  1. wgbgator

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    Moreover, why does he believe people merely trespassing should be treated lightly, but then you post about throwing the book at people doing sit-in protests calling them insurrectionists? Just typical right-wing shit where you just throw a fit about things that have nothing to do with the topic out of some perceived slight or favoritism.
     
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  2. mrhansduck

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    Seems like the political equivalent of "working the refs."
     
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  3. Gatoragman

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    Uh.....
    I don't believe I said that anyone was totally innocent, if I did, please point that out.
    It also appears from actual video footage from that day, only a handful, less than 20, were violent or destructive, the over whelming majority of the people involved that day simply followed them into the capitol, no guns, no violence, simply trespassing same as the demonstrators yesterday.
    You may not like that and may have a different view, but it doesn't change that fact.
     
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  4. citygator

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    My only response to this thread:

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  5. mdgator05

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    If you read the article you posted, you would know that the people being detained were those charged with violent crimes that were considered dangers to the community due to their level of violence or charged with conspiracy. If you were simply charged with trespass, you were released, often without bail. So does that solve the issue then?
     
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  6. wgbgator

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    Which I would perhaps take more seriously if I maybe saw posts about the government going after cop-city protesters who simply donated to or organized bail funds on RICO charges. I don't think there is any partisan bias here, but the government obviously deals in threat assessment. Does it surprise anyone the government goes harder on people who threaten law enforcement and government officials with violence (even if the threat is dubious and exaggerated) vs. people who simply trespass to do a sit-in? This has always been the case.
     
  7. mdgator05

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    68 have pleaded guilty to assaulting police officers. An additional 36 have pleaded guilty to "feloniously obstructing, impeding, or interfering with a law enforcement officer during a civil disorder." In addition, 51 more have been convicted of one of these. So that puts the number at about 8x what you claimed.
     
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  8. BLING

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    You stating your “belief” that it “appears” only a handful - less than 20 did any damage or violence not only isn’t a fact, it’s demonstrably and laughably untrue.

    Aside from the obvious that I saw more of that with my own eyeballs to know you are wrong, the justice department actually has a running list, a raw alphabetized list of all cases and adjudications.

    Capitol Breach Cases

    They have also given you some numbers.

    33 Months Since the Jan. 6 Attack on the Capitol

    Some key FACTS:
    410 charged with assaulting or resisting an officer.
    112 with carrying a dangerous or deadly weapon.
    68 with destruction of property.
    42 with conspiracy (meaning they planned their role in the attack).

    You may not like that and may have a different view, but it doesn't change those FACTS.
     
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  9. 92gator

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    All Americans — including those arrested in the Jan. 6 riots — deserve due process

    An egregious denial of due process for Jan. 6 protesters

    Feds admit breaking law with delay in case against alleged Jan. 6 rioter

    Jan. 6th detainees must receive due process

    https://amac.us/newsline/society/jan-6th-prisoners-detained-and-forgotten/


    I'll reserve comment.
     
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  10. BLING

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    199 individuals have pleaded guilty to felonies.

    If I’m reading correctly, another 63 found guilty of felonies at trials.

    I’m guessing this 262 is a pretty representative # of people who actually were convicted of assault and violent acts (including destruction of property) that day. The rest of the 410 charged with crimes against Capitol police were probably more in the “resisting arrest” category, and thus weren’t convicted of felonies, they got out with misdemeanor charges.

    However, the FBI still has another 304 individuals they are looking to locate or need help identifying. Probably a few dozen more “violent criminals” in there to add to the list, if ever identified. A few are currently fugitives and on the run.
     
  11. BLING

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    I quickly scanned these links. How come none of these opinion pieces could name a single specific case? Maybe I missed it.

    It’s certainly pushing a narrative, a narrative so strong they couldn’t name a single specific case to point to as a model of injustice? Kind of undermines credibility when you are using terms like “political prisoners” to describe violent criminals. If they had a person held indefinitely on just “trespassing” don’t you think it would have been front and center?
     
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  13. mdgator05

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    A Rand Paul opinion piece in which he provides no evidence of an actual violation. He claims that there were non-violent offenders jailed for a year, but did not name a single one.

    This line tells you all you need to know from this piece:

    Well, gee, it would be important to know those things before alleging a violation of due process, right?

    Okay, that is an actual issue. It should be noted, however, that the court allowed the case to move forward and he was sentenced to 52 months in prison, negating the issue, as it seems likely he will be given time served.

    Literally a reprint of the link in which the author outright states that he knows nothing about the cases.

    Again, an opinion piece without a single piece of evidence.

    So all of those links, there is one due process violation and the court adjudicated it, allowed the case to continue, and the guy ended up sentenced to 52 months in prison anyway.
     
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  14. mutz87

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    Merely tourists
     
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  15. channingcrowderhungry

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    Judaism is a weird amalgamation of religion, ethnicity, culture, and country. I know a lot of Jewish people that never set foot in a Temple, and really don't care about Israel.

    I also think a lot Jewish people identify with the persecuted as the history of persecuting Jews is self explanatory. I'm not saying this as it relates to Hamas, but on the history of plight of Palestenians in Israel. I don't want to debate whether that view is correct or not, but I get it.
     
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  16. AgingGator

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    I’m going to go way out on a limb here and guess that have little/no experience with fed prosecutors.
     
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  17. mdgator05

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    I try not to commit crimes generally.
     
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  18. VAg8r1

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    Comparing a largely peaceful and nonviolent sit-in demonstration with the violent attack and attempted insurrection of January 6, 2021 is a truly absurd example of false equivalency.
     
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  19. WC53

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    Ahhhh,
    MTG likened it to 1/6

    Now the logic makes sense
     
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  20. mrhansduck

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    There may be individual Jan 6 defendants who have been treated unfairly one way or another. I'd frankly be surprised if there haven't been with over 1,000 cases. I do find the outrage over these cases generally to be largely partisan and made with an effort to downplay what happened while avoiding the context of what occurs in our criminal justice system on a daily basis.
     
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