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Best States for Teachers 2023

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gatordavisl, Jun 20, 2023.

  1. gatordavisl

    gatordavisl VIP Member

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    I agree with the premise of your first sentence ('cept for the "proof" part), but not the last sentence. Remember that this is not a ranking of schools. It's intended as a comprehensive measure of teaching conditions in different states. To dismiss the data out of hand is a mistake - doing so should require analysis.
     
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  2. jjgator55

    jjgator55 VIP Member

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    I’ve been retired almost 12 years and I got a letter from my old district asking me to come back at the top of the pay scale, a renewed certificate, and without the usual probationary periods. They are definitely hurting for anyone to come in and teach, and before long the only requirement to teach in Florida will be a high school degree or its equivalent, not under house arrest, and willingness to carry a firearm.
     
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  3. dynogator

    dynogator VIP Member

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    Are you tempted to return to the trenches?
     
  4. jjgator55

    jjgator55 VIP Member

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    Not in Florida. In Florida they don’t want teachers, they want assembly line workers that ignore the needs of the individual students.
     
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  5. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

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    The dude you’re quibbling with is a straight up democrat.
    You don’t pay attention.
     
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  6. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

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    Thank you Jesus!
     
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  7. GatorNorth

    GatorNorth Premium Member Premium Member

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    I don’t say remotely the same things as you do, and I don’t care if you laugh. And I’m not lecturing you, I’m trying to tell you how to have at least a shred of credibility instead of using broad based generalities.
     
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  8. okeechobee

    okeechobee GC Hall of Fame

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    Sure, why not? I know of $130 billion right off the top that could be thrown at the debt. I'm all for reduction in government spending. All areas can be looked at. Starting at national defense seems like a slanted perspective. Gotta have a pretty good military to back an economic power like the United States, but sure, cuts can be made there as well.
     
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  9. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    Do you think the score for academic work environment has changed in the past 18 months?
     
  10. Gator715

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    I wouldn’t say enough to make Florida go from one of the top 10 best to the absolute worst.
     
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  11. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    Lots of other criteria in that list heavily impacted by the wet blanket desi has hung over the job. Teacher turnover, average experience etc all being heavily impacted
     
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  12. StrangeGator

    StrangeGator VIP Member

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  13. docspor

    docspor GC Hall of Fame

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    & that's despite Regulation Ron passing the HUGEST budget in Florida history!
     
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  14. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    Thats fair, i was being a bit broad.
     
  15. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    I think this is the 3rd time recently you have had to be informed that the person disagreeing with you is not a right winger.

    Your own side is trying to help you out and you dont even care.

    You are so far in your narrow minded blue corner that you cant fathom anything else.

    But sure, progress.
     
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  16. Gator515151

    Gator515151 GC Hall of Fame

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    But, but, but Scholaroo says they are #50.......I'm sorry folks, I just can't stop laughing at that name Scholaroo.
     
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  17. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    Its a goofy name but i think when looking at other things there that it seems to be a pretty informational site.

    The issue is like I said above, all studies and polls are only as good as the criteria.

    Most have an agenda and will craft accurate data to fit their goal or just leave out important data that should have been considered, even if not intentionally.
     
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  18. latergatercg

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    I'm surprised to not see New Jersey in the top 10. Getting a job in a nice district is extremely difficult. And even the poor urban districts pay very well and are well funded.
     
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  19. philnotfil

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    Florida teacher shortage one of the worst in the country as new school year starts (fox13news.com)

    TAMPA, Fla. - With the first day of the new school year approaching, Florida is facing one of the country's worst teacher shortages, the state's largest teachers union said Wednesday.

    Andrew Spar, President of the Florida Education Association, said there are roughly 8,000 teachers and 6,000 support staff vacancies across the state.

    Spar blames the political climate for causing classroom controversies and low salaries, with Florida ranking 48th in the nation in average teacher pay.

    "Florida is dealing with, if not the worst, one of the worst teacher shortage situations in the nation," said Spar. "While beginning teacher pay has improved significantly over the last few years, you can't bring people in and not continue to allow for growth in pay because they will leave. And that's what we're seeing. When you see people who have been working in districts for 15 or 20 years making a little bit more or the same as someone just coming in the door, they tend to dislike that and leave the profession."
     
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  20. philnotfil

    philnotfil GC Hall of Fame

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    St Johns county is one of the best districts in the state. Pre-covid they usually had about two dozen teaching positions still open at the end of the summer. Right now they have 287 open teaching positions. And teachers have already reported back to school.
     
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